(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 10:58 AM 13/7/02 -0400 1 RE: put
(Normal) Tony Smith 11:20 AM 13/7/02 -0400 2 copy of attempted arXiv put w/o attchmt
(Normal) send mail ONLY to gen-ph 11:31 AM 13/7/02 -0400 1 RE: put
(Normal) Tony Smith 11:35 AM 13/7/02 -0400 2 copy of arXiv put attempt2 w/o attchmt
(Normal) Tony Smith 11:59 AM 13/7/02 -0400 3 put request rejection
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 11:59 AM 13/7/02 -0400 1 RE: put request rejection
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:41 PM 15/7/02 -0400 1 TigerNet ID and registration PIN
(Normal) Publishing Concepts 6:37 PM 22/7/02 -0500 1 Re: TigerNet ID and registration PIN
(Normal) send mail ONLY to hep-ph 12:25 PM 23/7/02 -0400 1 hep-ph/0207285 password (SAVE)
(Normal) send mail ONLY to hep-ph 12:25 PM 23/7/02 -0400 9 RE: put (hep-ph/0207285, 423kb)
(Normal) Frank D Tony Smith 12:26 PM 23/7/02 -0400 2 put
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 12:34 PM 23/7/02 -0400 3 RE: put
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:12 PM 23/7/02 -0400 4 my paper number TS-SES02-1
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:12 PM 23/7/02 -0400 4 my paper number TS-SES02-1
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 9:12 PM 23/7/02 -0400 1 RE: my paper number TS-SES02-1
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:14 PM 23/7/02 -0400 4 comment
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:14 PM 23/7/02 -0400 4 comment
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 9:15 PM 23/7/02 -0400 2 RE: comment
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 9:51 PM 23/7/02 -0400 2 physics/0207095 password (SAVE)
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 9:51 PM 23/7/02 -0400 9 RE: put (physics/0207095, 423kb)
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 9:51 PM 23/7/02 -0400 1 formerly hep-ph/0207285
(Normal) kristrun 10:30 AM 24/7/02 -0400 4 Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:35 AM 24/7/02 -0400 5 Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:35 AM 24/7/02 -0400 5 Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 10:36 AM 24/7/02 -0400 1 RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 12:50 PM 24/7/02 -0400 1 RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 12:50 PM 24/7/02 -0400 1 RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) send mail ONLY to www-admin 12:50 PM 24/7/02 -0400 2 RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) Frank D Tony Smith 12:53 PM 24/7/02 -0400 1 Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) Frank D Tony Smith 12:53 PM 24/7/02 -0400 1 Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
(Normal) send mail ONLY to gen-ph 10:29 AM 8/8/02 -0400 1 RE: put
(Normal) Frank D Tony Smith 10:32 AM 8/8/02 -0400 2 put
(Normal) send mail ONLY to physics 10:39 AM 8/8/02 -0400 1 RE: register
(Normal) Frank D Tony Smith 10:43 AM 8/8/02 -0400 0 register
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 10:53 AM 8/8/02 -0400 1 RE: put request rejection
(Normal) Tony Smith 6:04 PM 8/8/02 -0400 3 contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
(Normal) hameroff@email.arizona.edu 3:41 PM 8/8/02 -0700 4 RE: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:34 PM 8/8/02 -0400 2 RE: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
(Normal) Tony Smith 6:49 PM 10/8/02 -0400 7 request for registration
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 6:50 PM 10/8/02 -0400 1 RE: request for registration
(Normal) Jean Poland 5:13 PM 12/8/02 -0400 11 Fwd: request for registration
(Normal) Tony Smith 8:12 PM 12/8/02 -0400 1 Re: Fwd: request for registration
(Normal) Tony Smith 7:03 AM 26/8/02 -0400 1 Re: paper and registration
(Normal) register-query for arXiv.org 10:08 PM 8/9/02 -0400 2 RE: request for registration
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 2:01 AM 9/9/02 -0400 1 RE: RE: request for registration
(Normal) Tony Smith 2:03 AM 9/9/02 -0400 2 RE: request for registration
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:29 AM 9/9/02 -0400 4 internet etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 8:20 AM 9/9/02 -0600 7 Re: internet etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 11:35 PM 9/9/02 -0600 4 Re: internet etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 3:11 PM 10/9/02 -0600 1 Are you okay?
(Normal) Tony Smith 6:15 PM 10/9/02 -0400 4 e-print archive authorship
(Normal) hameroff@email.arizona.edu 12:39 AM 11/9/02 -0700 4 RE: e-print archive authorship
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 9:07 PM 13/9/02 -0600 2 AM I GUILTY?!
(Normal) Tony Smith 11:10 PM 13/9/02 -0400 1 follow-up etc
(Normal) Tony Smith 4:24 AM 14/9/02 -0400 6 you are not guilty
(Normal) Jonathan Leaf 9:09 AM 14/9/02 +0000 2 Re: follow-up etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 4:57 AM 14/9/02 -0600 4 Re: you are not guilty
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:54 PM 14/9/02 -0400 4 Cornell etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 12:56 PM 14/9/02 -0600 6 Re: Cornell etc
(Normal) Tony Smith 1:31 PM 19/9/02 -0400 3 Re: Why the MacArthur Foundation
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 12:00 PM 19/9/02 -0600 2 Re: Why the MacArthur Foundation
(Normal) Tony Smith 3:27 PM 20/9/02 -0400 8 manufacturing, etc
(Normal) Tony Smith 3:09 PM 23/9/02 -0400 7 advice
(Normal) <baez@math.ucr.edu> 8:32 PM 24/9/02 -0700 4 Re: advice
(Normal) Tony Smith 1:01 AM 25/9/02 -0400 2 Re: Re: advice
(Normal) Tony Smith 4:57 PM 3/10/02 -0400 5 books, internet, etc
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 5:37 PM 3/10/02 -0500 3 Re: books, internet, etc
(Normal) Tony Smith 6:52 PM 3/10/02 -0400 3 Ginsparg and El Naschie
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 7:52 PM 3/10/02 -0500 1 Re: Ginsparg and El Naschie
(Normal) vladw 7:27 PM 4/10/02 -0700 6 TONY SMITH== SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEMS WITH CORNELL
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:50 AM 7/10/02 -0400 2 Cornell situation
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:50 AM 7/10/02 -0400 6 Baylor, and request for advice
(Normal) vladw 6:33 PM 7/10/02 -0700 4 Reply to : Cornell situation
(Normal) Laurie M. Brown 9:09 AM 8/10/02 -0500 1 Re: Baylor, and request for advice
(Normal) Tony Smith 7:17 PM 8/10/02 -0400 3 advice
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 5:50 PM 11/10/02 -0500 3 RE: arXiv.org policy
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:15 PM 11/10/02 -0400 5 thanks for your efforts
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 10:56 PM 11/10/02 -0500 1 Re: thanks for your efforts
(Normal) register-query for arXiv.org 10:48 AM 14/10/02 -0400 2 RE: arXiv.org policy
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 11:46 AM 14/10/02 -0500 1 RE: arXiv.org policy
(Normal) send mail ONLY to register-query 12:31 AM 15/10/02 -0400 1 RE: RE: arXiv.org policy
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:32 AM 15/10/02 -0400 3 RE: arXiv.org policy
(Normal) Tony Smith 5:43 PM 15/10/02 -0400 1 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 6:36 PM 15/10/02 -0500 2 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) rickjarosh@earthlink.net 4:56 AM 19/10/02 -0400 1 Website,Cornell
(Normal) Gary S. Bekkum 12:30 PM 25/10/02 -0500 30 Re: Problems with presentation at arXiv.org
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 11:43 PM 25/10/02 +0000 4 Re: Problems with presentation at arXiv.org
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 11:58 PM 25/10/02 +0000 1 Re: MacArthur Awards
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 11:38 PM 27/10/02 +0000 2 Re: Paul Ginparg and McArthur
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:40 AM 28/10/02 -0500 4 MacArthur
(Normal) alfred schoeller 6:59 AM 28/10/02 +0000 2 Re: MacArthur
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 9:02 AM 28/10/02 +0000 2 Re: Shameful
(Normal) alfred schoeller 8:51 AM 29/10/02 +0000 2 Re: MacArthur
(Normal) Tony Smith 7:50 AM 29/10/02 -0500 1 Re: MacArthur
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 11:08 PM 29/10/02 +0000 4 Re: Schocking Historical Facts
(Normal) baez@math.ucr.edu 6:28 PM 29/10/02 -0800 4 Re: Quantum Mind Conference
(Normal) Lantz Miller 2:56 AM 30/10/02 +0000 5 Re: Schocking Historical Facts
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:40 PM 29/10/02 -0500 3 Re: Quantum Mind Conference
(Normal) John Baez 9:13 PM 29/10/02 -0800 1 Re: Quantum Mind Conference
(Normal) Tony Smith 1:22 AM 30/10/02 -0500 5 Re: Cornell etc
(Normal) alfred schoeller 6:44 AM 30/10/02 +0000 2 Re: Schocking Historical Facts
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 9:23 AM 3/11/02 -0800 4 My new paper on e-print archive
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:01 PM 4/11/02 -0500 3 Welcome to the BlackList
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 7:46 PM 4/11/02 -0800 3 Re: Welcome to the BlackList
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 8:03 PM 4/11/02 -0800 2 RE: Censorship at Cornell Physics arXiv
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 8:03 PM 4/11/02 -0800 46 RE: Censorship at Cornell Physics arXiv
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 9:19 PM 4/11/02 -0800 3 RE: Welcome to the BlackList
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:20 AM 5/11/02 -0500 4 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 9:22 PM 4/11/02 -0800 5 RE: Cornell blacklist - legal action
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:30 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:38 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:44 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:45 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:49 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 9:49 PM 4/11/02 -0800 9 Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 9:57 PM 4/11/02 -0800 8 Lawsuit against Cornell arXiv?
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:59 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 Re: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 10:05 PM 4/11/02 -0800 1 RE: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
(Normal) alfred schoeller 6:29 AM 5/11/02 +0000 2 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Dennis W. Marks 6:36 AM 5/11/02 -0500 5 RE: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Brian Josephson 12:09 PM 5/11/02 +0000 4 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Brian Josephson 12:37 PM 5/11/02 +0000 1 PS
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:56 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:01 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 RE: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 10:38 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:38 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 correction RE: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:39 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 correction RE: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:40 AM 5/11/02 -0500 1 correction RE: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 7:48 AM 5/11/02 -0800 2 Re: arXiv
(Normal) Brian Josephson 4:20 PM 5/11/02 +0000 3 Re: PS
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 8:22 AM 5/11/02 -0800 5 Re: Cornell blacklist
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 9:06 AM 5/11/02 -0800 3 Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blacklist D
(Normal) Brian Josephson 5:39 PM 5/11/02 +0000 2 Re: Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blackli
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 11:18 AM 5/11/02 -0800 7 [Fwd: Re: misc. arXiv]
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 11:44 AM 5/11/02 -0800 8 Re: Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blackli
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 2:41 PM 5/11/02 -0800 7 Re: misc. arXiv
(Normal) Arkadiusz Jadczyk 5:57 PM 5/11/02 -0500 1 new page
(Normal) Brian Josephson 11:09 PM 5/11/02 +0000 2 RE: gr-qc/0211011
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 3:24 PM 5/11/02 -0800 34 RE: arXiv Cornell blacklist issue escalating
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 3:33 PM 5/11/02 -0800 3 FW: gr-qc/0211011
(Normal) Tony Smith 7:24 PM 5/11/02 -0500 2 copy of JSar msg w/o attchmt
(Normal) Tony Smith 7:24 PM 5/11/02 -0500 2 copy of msg from ISEP w/o attchmt
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 12:59 AM 6/11/02 +0000 1 Law suit against Los Alamos-Cornell
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 1:39 AM 6/11/02 +0000 2 Re: Response to your proof of RH
(Normal) Tony Smith 10:28 PM 5/11/02 -0500 1 revised paper is up
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:38 AM 6/11/02 -0500 4 information
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 5:55 AM 6/11/02 +0000 1 Re: revised paper is up
(Normal) alfred schoeller 9:36 AM 6/11/02 +0000 1 Re: Law suit against Los Alamos-Cornell
(Normal) Jack Sarfatti 10:37 AM 6/11/02 -0800 4 Re: information
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 11:26 PM 6/11/02 +0000 1 Humour of Castro's papers
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 6:47 AM 7/11/02 +0000 2 Quantum Gravity at last
(Normal) Carlos Perelman 8:10 AM 7/11/02 +0000 2 Quantum Gravity at last
(Normal) Tony Smith 11:39 AM 7/11/02 -0500 4 some questions, etc
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 9:56 AM 7/11/02 -0800 2 arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 10:04 AM 7/11/02 -0800 2 [Fwd: Marty re: My letter to Physics Today]
(Normal) Paul Zielinski 1:06 PM 7/11/02 -0800 2 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) Brian Josephson 10:28 PM 7/11/02 +0000 4 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) Theory Group 3:13 PM 7/11/02 -0800 6 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) Theory Group 9:46 PM 7/11/02 -0800 4 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) Tony Smith 12:57 AM 8/11/02 -0500 2 priority matter
(Normal) Tony Smith 1:12 AM 8/11/02 -0500 2 Re: arXiv censorship
(Normal) Tony Smith 1:15 AM 8/11/02 -0500 4 some questions, etc
(Normal) Gary G. Ford 11:44 PM 7/11/02 -0700 4 Re: arXiv censorship
(Normal) Brian Josephson 12:03 PM 8/11/02 +0000 2 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) Brian Josephson 5:44 PM 8/11/02 +0000 30 arXiv.org censorship log
(Normal) Tony Smith 9:36 PM 8/11/02 -0500 5 Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
(Normal) ISEP Theoretical Physics Group 10:56 AM 9/11/02 -0800 1 Message from Ginsparg
(Normal) Brian Josephson 5:33 PM 12/11/02 +0000 33 irresponsible conduct of arXiv admin
===================================================================================================
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:15:15 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C4A388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:27:59 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6DEwwY28587
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:59:01 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6DEwwu25588;
Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:58:58 -0400
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:58:58 -0400
Message-Id: <200207131458.g6DEwwu25588@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: put
X-UIDL: =[L!!VZN"!oL]!!!J[!!
Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation, so if
you are trying to submit from a public access provider, please use instead
(for example) your university account.
(Otherwise it may be because you have tried to put the same paper multiple
times either to the same or to different e-print archives
[instead of using the replace or cross-list commands], or because an automated
referee has determined that you put papers to the wrong e-print archive.)
In the event that you have received this message in error, please
send a message to register-query@arXiv.org explaining the situation.
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:22:15 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77633388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:50:06 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.251] (dialup-209.246.176.251.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.251])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9159410E27E
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:44:53 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102801b955f5b17e1b@[209.246.176.251]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:20:53 -0400
To: tsmith@innerx.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: copy of attempted arXiv put w/o attchmt
X-UIDL: hf]"!WT2"!lhC"!QWG"!
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:55:50 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: put
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
\\
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting,
October 31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report no: TS-SES02-1
Subj-class: General Physics
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra
and Hermitian Symmetric Spaces
D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows
calculation of ratios of tree-level particle
masses (quark masses being constituent masses):
Me-neutrino = Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0
Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8 MeV;
Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV;
Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63 GeV; Mt = 130 GeV;
W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV;
Higgs mass = 145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV;
and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed);
EM fine structure constant = 1/137.03608;
Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5;
color force strength = 0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV).
With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account
the color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV).
Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about 170 GeV
but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV.
The theoretical Lagrangian is based on the
structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra
which, through 8-fold periodicity, may produce
a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra factor.
\\
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:32:39 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A237D388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:00:10 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6DFVDY28658
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:31:13 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6DFVBh27695;
Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:31:11 -0400
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:31:11 -0400
Message-Id: <200207131531.g6DFVBh27695@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to gen-ph)
Reply-To: gen-ph@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: put
X-UIDL: H(f"![+V!!+,2"!M^U"!
Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation, so if
you are trying to submit from a public access provider, please use instead
(for example) your university account.
(Otherwise it may be because you have tried to put the same paper multiple
times either to the same or to different e-print archives
[instead of using the replace or cross-list commands], or because an automated
referee has determined that you put papers to the wrong e-print archive.)
In the event that you have received this message in error, please
send a message to register-query@arXiv.org explaining the situation.
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:36:49 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213E3388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:05:22 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.251] (dialup-209.246.176.251.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.251])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA2E10E282
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:00:09 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102803b955f9274e51@[209.246.176.251]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:35:42 -0400
To: tsmith@innerx.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: copy of arXiv put attempt2 w/o attchmt
X-UIDL: OZH"!-]Q"!`A)"!?Sf!!
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:27:18 -0400
To: gen-ph@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: put
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
\\
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting,
October 31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report no: TS-SES02-1
Subj-class: General Physics
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra
and Hermitian Symmetric Spaces
D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows
calculation of ratios of tree-level particle
masses (quark masses being constituent masses):
Me-neutrino = Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0
Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8 MeV;
Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV;
Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63 GeV; Mt = 130 GeV;
W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV;
Higgs mass = 145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV;
and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed);
EM fine structure constant = 1/137.03608;
Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5;
color force strength = 0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV).
With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account
the color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV).
Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about 170 GeV
but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV.
The theoretical Lagrangian is based on the
structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra
which, through 8-fold periodicity, may produce
a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra factor.
\\
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:59:39 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9315388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:28:35 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.251] (dialup-209.246.176.251.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.251])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id BA1E410E29A; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102804b955fb04be44@[209.246.176.251]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:59:22 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: put request rejection
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: GdQ!!-)^"!QUY"!hFi"!
Today I attempted an e-mail put to the physics arXiv,
gen-ph, resulting in rejection.
The rejection message said: "... Ordinarily we require an appropriate
institutional affiliation, so if you are trying to submit from a public
access provider, please use instead (for example) your university account.
...".
My current e-mail account tsmith@innerx.net is not a university account.
I have in the past successfully put papers by e-mail from that address,
such as
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
and
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
and it has been my understanding that putting papers on gen-ph
or physics with subject class General Physics,
was permissible from by tsmith@innerx.net account.
The paper that I tried to put is a paper that I am contributing
to the Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting,
October 31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama.
and
I would like for it to be available on the arXiv so that people
can look at it during the time before the meeting.
My APS membership number is SM375718.
I would appreciate it very much if you could let me
know how I might put that paper on the arXiv.
Below my signature is a copy of an attempted put message done earlier today.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 13 July 2002
-------------------------------------------------------------
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:27:18 -0400
To: gen-ph@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: put
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
\\
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting,
October 31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report no: TS-SES02-1
Subj-class: General Physics
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra
and Hermitian Symmetric Spaces
D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows
calculation of ratios of tree-level particle
masses (quark masses being constituent masses):
Me-neutrino = Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0
Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8 MeV;
Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV;
Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63 GeV; Mt = 130 GeV;
W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV;
Higgs mass = 145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV;
and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed);
EM fine structure constant = 1/137.03608;
Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5;
color force strength = 0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV).
With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account
the color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV).
Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about 170 GeV
but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV.
The theoretical Lagrangian is based on the
structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra
which, through 8-fold periodicity, may produce
a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra factor.
\\
(a pdf file was attached)
-------------------------------------------------------------
I had also tried e-mail put to the address
To: physics@arXiv.org
with the same result, rejection.
---------------------------------------------------------------
From ???@??? Sat Jul 13 11:59:40 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B16B388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:28:37 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6DFxdY28726
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:59:40 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6DFxcr29845;
Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:59:38 -0400
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:59:38 -0400
Message-Id: <200207131559.g6DFxcr29845@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: put request rejection
X-UIDL: ;Q3!!6R6"!3IX!!HA1!!
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (summer 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Mon Jul 15 21:41:50 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73F8388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:10:29 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.76.229] (dialup-63.210.76.229.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.76.229])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 5C18910E24A; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102802b95929345a15@[63.210.76.229]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:41:42 -0400
To: pubcon@alumni.princeton.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: TigerNet ID and registration PIN
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ;Qm!!\Mg"!8'I!!\f;!!
I am interested in the possibility of setting up a TigerNet e-mail
account, and I cannot find the ID or regsitration PIN card that
was sent to me in the postal mail some time ago.
I would appreciate it if you could authenticate this message
and then provide me with an ID and registration PIN.
Thank you.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. '63
P. O. Box 370
Cartersville, GA 30120
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 00:01:19 2002
Return-Path: <pubcon@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from listserv.publishingconcepts.com (listserv.publishingconcepts.com [209.39.169.69])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D676388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:26:27 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from dutorka (172.31.49.17:2567) by listserv.publishingconcepts.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.006C4CDA@listserv.publishingconcepts.com>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:21:23 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020722183724.009f0510@mail.alumni.princeton.edu>
X-Sender: pubcon@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:37:24 -0500
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
From: Publishing Concepts <pubcon@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: TigerNet ID and registration PIN
In-Reply-To: <l03102802b95929345a15@[63.210.76.229]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-UIDL: ;%i"!O`p!!oQZ!!72@!!
After receiving this ID number, go to http://TigerNet.Princeton.EDU, click
on "Registration" under TigerNet Services to the left and use your ID
number in the appropriate field. Then choose a userid of 8 characters or
less in all lowercase and a password of between 6 and 8 characters.
IDNUMBER = 0020038384
Best regards,
Publishing Concepts
pubcon@alumni.princeton.edu
At 09:41 PM 07/15/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I am interested in the possibility of setting up a TigerNet e-mail
>account, and I cannot find the ID or regsitration PIN card that
>was sent to me in the postal mail some time ago.
>
>I would appreciate it if you could authenticate this message
>and then provide me with an ID and registration PIN.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. '63
>P. O. Box 370
>Cartersville, GA 30120
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 12:32:09 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 17116 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 09:25:28 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.246) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 09:25:28 -0700
X-Received: 23 Jul 2002 16:25:28 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6NGPRY16182
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:27 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6NGPPx05598;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:25 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:25 -0400
Message-Id: <200207231625.g6NGPPx05598@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to hep-ph)
Reply-To: hep-ph@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: hep-ph/0207285 password (SAVE)
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT2DeNHkIfZC4AE
*** SAVE THIS MESSAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE ***
(and forward to any collaborators for safekeeping)
Your user/password combination for this paper is
User-ID: hep-ph/0207285
Password: 8cyb7
You will need this ID/password pair to do any of the following:
- to check the paper before it is announced
- to cross-list the paper
- to add publication information
- to replace the paper with a revised version
Keep this password safe -- all future replacements will require it.
Paper: hep-ph/0207285
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting, October
31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report-no: TS-SES02-1
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 12:32:10 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 9570 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 09:25:28 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.245) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 09:25:28 -0700
X-Received: 23 Jul 2002 16:25:28 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6NGPRY16180
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:27 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6NGPPI05594;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:25 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:25 -0400
Message-Id: <200207231625.g6NGPPI05594@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to hep-ph)
Reply-To: hep-ph@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: put (hep-ph/0207285, 423kb)
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT2DeNHkIfUlaAE
To verify abstract and pdf, use http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0207285
User: hep-ph/0207285, Password: 8cyb7 (access still password restricted)
See http://arXiv.org/help/uploads for additional uses of password.
Abstract will appear in mailing scheduled to begin at 20:00 Tuesday
US Eastern time (i.e., Wed 24 Jul 02 00:00:00 GMT).
Your title and abstract will appear in the next mailing exactly as below.
(Except possibly for the NUMBER which IS NOT OFFICIAL until the next mailing
of abstracts [20:00 US Eastern time (EDT/EST) Sun - Thu] -- it cannot be used
to cross-list to other archives [e.g., from cs to math or physics] until after
that time.) To correct any problems, you MUST replace NOW.
Replacements on the same day (until the 16:00 US Eastern time deadline Mon-Fri)
do not generate a revised date line, so do not hesitate to replace submission
until everything is perfect (including removal of any extraneous files).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\\
Paper: hep-ph/0207285
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:25:25 GMT (423kb)
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting, October
31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report-no: TS-SES02-1
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra and Hermitian Symmetric
Spaces D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows calculation of ratios of tree-level
particle masses (quark masses being constituent masses): Me-neutrino =
Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0 Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8
MeV; Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV; Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63
GeV; Mt = 130 GeV; W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV; Higgs mass =
145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV; and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed); EM fine structure constant =
1/137.03608; Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5; color force strength =
0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV). With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account the
color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV). Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about
170 GeV but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV. The theoretical Lagrangian is
based on the structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra which, through
8-fold periodicity, may produce a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra
factor.
\\
Contains:
SES02.pdf: 433099 bytes (looks big)
Stored as: 0207285.pdf (423kb)
Warnings:
Author 1: Frank D.
Affiliation: (Tony)
Author 2: Smith
Affiliation: (Cartersville)
-> Number of authors = 2
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Successful submission to the archives can be a significant source of pride
and accomplishment. It entails many serious responsibilities: if you cannot
check off on all of the items below, then you should replace your submission.
(Note: *do not* resubmit, instead use *replace*)
___ The Title/Author fields above are correct.
___ The abstract is complete, correct, and wrapped correctly.
___ Capitalization in title correct (we automatically lower case titles
with excessive use of upper case, but we get some acronyms incorrect
-- replace with uppercase letters only where they should be).
___ The authors are listed in `Firstname Lastname' order.
___ any anonymous ftp or http pointers to additional files are given in
standard url format (e.g. ftp://myhost.domain/path/filename.ext
or http://mywwwhost.domain/path/filename.html)
___ Periods are separated by a space from the end of any URL's
___ Any Journal-ref is a complete bibliographic reference to an already
published version (includes volume and page number info in the case
of a print journal).
___ No raw (uncompressed, un-uuencoded) PostScript was submitted (by e-mail)
___ All files including PostScript figures were included.
___ This paper has not been `put' to any other arXiv.org e-print archives.
___ The full text of the paper itself is available directly from the archive.
___ The submission can be retrieved uncorrupted (TRY IT).
Submitters who repeatedly leave errors uncorrected may lose submission
privilege to the archives. (Replace using the current tentative papernumber
unless notified otherwise.)
If your abstract is improperly wrapped, note that abstract linefill stops at
whitespace indentation (e.g. a blank line or a line indented with space(s)
denotes a new paragraph,and won't be wrapped).
For further hints, keep reading or get the help text by sending a
message with the subject `help', or see http://arXiv.org/help/ . Guidelines
for a properly formatted abstract are given in prep.txt (available via the
`get' command or at http://arXiv.org/help/prep ). If you have not already
read this, please read it now to ensure that you have followed the guidelines.
It is an abuse of valuable archive admin time to edit abstracts by hand, and
negligence will be duly noted and could result in prejudial future treatment.
If you need to replace this paper, use the `replace' command described in the
help text (available via `help' or at http://arXiv.org/help/). The format
of the resubmission itself (with \\'s delineating title/abs etc.) is the same
as for `put'. Your entry will not officially appear in the listings until the
next mailing goes out (and thus cannot yet be accessed via `find' or
`listings' commands), and your papernumber may be changed until that time,
so it is necessary to wait a day before cross-listing, etc.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE `put' TO RESUBMIT THIS PAPER.
A resubmission is treated as a separate submission, and given a new number,
which will have to be removed by hand (and could result in loss of future
submission privileges).
Instead use the replace command (described in the help text).
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE `put' TO SUBMIT THIS PAPER TO ANOTHER
e-print archive within the arXiv system, since the system needs to know that
it is one submission and not multiple.
Instead send the cross-list command (described in the help text)
to the other e-print archive to generate a cross-listing for it.
Figures should not be appended to the TeX file. Instead all of your files
should be tarred, compressed, and uuencoded, and submitted with the `put'
command or replaced with the `replace' command. The utility `uufiles'
available via `get uufiles' or at http://arXiv.org/faq/uufaq.html will
help (`get uufiles' returns the Unix version; use the web link or ftp to
ftp://arXiv.org/software for other platforms).
If you have e-mailed raw PostScript, then it may have been corrupted
in transmission. PostScript should always be compressed and uuencoded
before sending via e-mail -- again, `uufiles' will help with this process.
If your mailer limits the size of your outgoing files, use the `fput' command
(Use `get fput.txt' or http://arXiv.org/help/fput for further information),
or web upload (see http://arXiv.org/help/uploads ).
***NOTES***
1) Avoid excessive cross-listings: cross-listings of a paper on archive-x to
archive-y are intended for subjects of *direct* interest to subscribers of
archive-y. Those subscribers of archive-y who have peripheral or direct
interest in the subjects of archive-x are already subscribed to archive-x and
neither need nor desire multiple receipt of the same abstract. (In particular,
it is exceedingly unlikely that you could decide what is of direct interest to
readers of archive-y if you yourself are not an active reader of archive-y.)
2) Common sense suggests that `replaced' papers are not immediately
rerequested so if your intent is to communicate correct research
it is in your interest to submit a final version in the first place,
i.e. *avoid premature submissions*.
If you later need to replace the submission, it would be helpful to indicate
in the Comments: field (i.e. below Authors: ) how serious is the revision
(e.g. v2: major conceptual changes, v3: minor grammatical changes, etc.),
and include as a commented header in the revised version of the paper a guide
to the changes for posterity.
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 12:29:27 2002
Return-Path: <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 29913 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 09:22:40 -0700
Received: from 209.246.181.72 (HELO ?209.246.181.72?)
by smtp.alumni.princeton.edu (209.228.33.239) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 09:22:40 -0700
X-Sent: 23 Jul 2002 16:22:40 GMT
X-Sender: fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Message-Id: <l03102800b9632fdb6a70@[209.246.176.74]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1184680905==_============"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:26:29 -0400
To: hep-ph@arXiv.org
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: put
Cc: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT2DbtHkIe8IWQE
\\
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting,
October 31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report no: TS-SES02-1
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra
and Hermitian Symmetric Spaces
D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows
calculation of ratios of tree-level particle
masses (quark masses being constituent masses):
Me-neutrino = Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0
Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8 MeV;
Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV;
Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63 GeV; Mt = 130 GeV;
W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV;
Higgs mass = 145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV;
and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed);
EM fine structure constant = 1/137.03608;
Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5;
color force strength = 0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV).
With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account
the color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV).
Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about 170 GeV
but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV.
The theoretical Lagrangian is based on the
structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra
which, through 8-fold periodicity, may produce
a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra factor.
\\
Attachment converted: iCube:SES02.pdf (PDF /CARO) (00029AE9)
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 20:15:22 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B947388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:02:00 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6NGYkY16219
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:34:48 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6NGYgZ07254;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:34:42 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:34:42 -0400
Message-Id: <200207231634.g6NGYgZ07254@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: put
X-UIDL: /i&#!88"#!WNi"!B19"!
The file you have tried to submit has been identified as a possible second
copy of an existing file, already entered and assigned a number (see
attachment below). If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that the second copy has
been ignored.
NOTE: if you are trying to replace your paper with a revised version, it is
IMPORTANT that you instead use the replace command, NOT the put command.
NOTE: if you are trying to replace your paper with a revised version, it is
IMPORTANT that you instead use the replace command, NOT the put command.
NOTE ALSO: you should NEVER try to put your paper to more than one archive,
it is IMPORTANT that you instead use the cross command, NOT the put command.
If this determination is in error, try to put again after ensuring that you
have correctly included your local report# at the END of the field that
includes title and authors
\\
Title: Recent Seminal Results That Take One or More Lines to Describe
Succinctly Even with Compactification and No Blank Lines
Authors: Author One, Author Two, Authors ad infinitum (parenthetical
affiliations optional, but don't include full addresses)
Comments: 12 pages, special macros if any, other comments (optional)
Report-no: EFI-94-11
\\
abstract
\\
since this is partially used to distinguish papers.
paper(s) already entered:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\\
Paper: hep-ph/0207285
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:25:25 GMT (423kb)
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting, October
31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report-no: TS-SES02-1
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra and Hermitian Symmetric
Spaces D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows calculation of ratios of tree-level
particle masses (quark masses being constituent masses): Me-neutrino =
Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0 Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8
MeV; Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV; Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63
GeV; Mt = 130 GeV; W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV; Higgs mass =
145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV; and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed); EM fine structure constant =
1/137.03608; Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5; color force strength =
0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV). With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account the
color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV). Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about
170 GeV but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV. The theoretical Lagrangian is
based on the structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra which, through
8-fold periodicity, may produce a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra
factor.
\\
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:12:57 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBB8388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:39:56 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.18.16] (dialup-65.58.18.16.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.18.16])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 4FC9510E2ED; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:35:02 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b963a38a8659@[63.210.72.189]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:12:33 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: my paper number TS-SES02-1
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
X-UIDL: @*@"!D':"!(2H!!G%G"!
On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
that I was relying on a message that I had received
from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
-------------------------------------------------
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: register
Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
> ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make.
--------------------------------------------------
and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
Those papers were
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
and
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
using an account that was not .edu
my attempts were rejected by messages stating
"... Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
were completely rejected and void,
and
that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
in fact processed properly,
and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
this time with the statement:
"... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
assigned a number (see attachment below).
If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
the second copy has been ignored. ...".
I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:37:00 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 11940 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:12:53 -0700
Received: from 64.158.248.29 (HELO suid.innerx.net)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.247) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:12:53 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 01:12:53 GMT
Received: from [65.58.18.16] (dialup-65.58.18.16.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.18.16])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 4FC9510E2ED; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:35:02 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b963a38a8659@[63.210.72.189]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:12:33 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: my paper number TS-SES02-1
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT3-FtHkIfcusQE
On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
that I was relying on a message that I had received
from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
-------------------------------------------------
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: register
Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
> ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make.
--------------------------------------------------
and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
Those papers were
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
and
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
using an account that was not .edu
my attempts were rejected by messages stating
"... Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
were completely rejected and void,
and
that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
in fact processed properly,
and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
this time with the statement:
"... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
assigned a number (see attachment below).
If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
the second copy has been ignored. ...".
I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:12:58 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFB5388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:39:57 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6O1CnY20372
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:12:49 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6O1Clw09337;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:12:47 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:12:47 -0400
Message-Id: <200207240112.g6O1Clw09337@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: my paper number TS-SES02-1
X-UIDL: XA"#!fi=!!J=h"!?l^"!
Commands to the e-print archive should always be sent
with the command in the subject field.
The command above from the `Subject:' line is missing or not valid.
Check for typos.
If you want a paper, you need to say get before the paper#.
Available commands include:
get put add replace listing find subscribe cancel distribution comment help
cross figures published cget fput freplace
Use the `comment' command to forward a message for human perusal.
For a full list of commands and other descriptive information, use `help',
i.e. send a message with
Subject: help
If all else fails, send a message with
Subject: comment
and include in the message body a description of your problems (as specifically
related to the functioning of these archives).
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:17:05 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB8F388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:42:46 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.18.16] (dialup-65.58.18.16.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.18.16])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id B70C210E303; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:37:52 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b963afc866a7@[65.58.18.16]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:14:45 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: comment
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
X-UIDL: PW8!!T4S!!p;0"!W13"!
On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
that I was relying on a message that I had received
from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
-------------------------------------------------
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: register
Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
> ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make.
--------------------------------------------------
and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
Those papers were
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
and
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
using an account that was not .edu
my attempts were rejected by messages stating
"... Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
were completely rejected and void,
and
that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
in fact processed properly,
and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
this time with the statement:
"... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
assigned a number (see attachment below).
If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
the second copy has been ignored. ...".
I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:37:02 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 28996 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:15:39 -0700
Received: from 64.158.248.29 (HELO suid.innerx.net)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.238) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:15:39 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 01:15:39 GMT
Received: from [65.58.18.16] (dialup-65.58.18.16.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.18.16])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id B70C210E303; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:37:52 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b963afc866a7@[65.58.18.16]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:14:45 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: comment
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT3-vNHkIe5xRQE
On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
that I was relying on a message that I had received
from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
-------------------------------------------------
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: register
Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
> ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make.
--------------------------------------------------
and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
Those papers were
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
and
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
using an account that was not .edu
my attempts were rejected by messages stating
"... Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
were completely rejected and void,
and
that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
in fact processed properly,
and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
this time with the statement:
"... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
assigned a number (see attachment below).
If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
the second copy has been ignored. ...".
I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 21:17:06 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D8388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:42:47 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6O1FdY20404
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:15:39 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6O1Fbh09551;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:15:37 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:15:37 -0400
Message-Id: <200207240115.g6O1Fbh09551@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: comment
X-UIDL: YWX!!E$7!!SZN"!TDX"!
This auto-reply acknowledges that your message to physics@arXiv.org
has been received at our local time of Tue Jul 23 21:15:37 2002 (EDT).
This time falls outside of ordinary working hours, hence your message may not
be acted upon until Wednesday, between 9:00 and 16:00 US Eastern time
(i.e., not for at least another 11 3/4 hours from now).
If "urgent", someone may well get to it sooner (though no further action
at your end is necessary nor able to expedite this).
Problems with new submissions are typically resolved before the 16:00
US Eastern time weekday deadline (i.e., within roughly 18 3/4 hours
from now).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note that this is an automated archive, and the comment command is for
administrative purposes only (all other messages will be ignored).
Help texts are available via the WorldWideWeb at http://arXiv.org/help ,
or by sending e-mail to one of the archive addresses, e.g.
To: physics@arXiv.org
Subject: help
Message joins 54 other compelling messages current in queue.
Have a judicious day.
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:37:37 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 5317 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:51:41 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.247) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:51:41 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 01:51:41 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6O1pfY20894
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:41 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6O1pcQ12932;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:38 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:38 -0400
Message-Id: <200207240151.g6O1pcQ12932@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: physics/0207095 password (SAVE)
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT4ILtHkIfcUxwE
*** SAVE THIS MESSAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE ***
(and forward to any collaborators for safekeeping)
Your user/password combination for this paper is
User-ID: physics/0207095
Password: pkak6
You will need this ID/password pair to do any of the following:
- to check the paper before it is announced
- to cross-list the paper
- to add publication information
- to replace the paper with a revised version
Keep this password safe -- all future replacements will require it.
Paper: physics/0207095
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting, October
31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report-no: TS-SES02-1
Subj-class: General Physics
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:37:38 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 11429 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:51:41 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.248) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:51:41 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 01:51:41 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6O1pfY20892
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:41 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6O1pc412928;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:38 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:38 -0400
Message-Id: <200207240151.g6O1pc412928@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: put (physics/0207095, 423kb)
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT4ILtHkIfgsqQE
To verify abstract and pdf, use http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
User: physics/0207095, Password: pkak6 (access still password restricted)
See http://arXiv.org/help/uploads for additional uses of password.
Abstract will appear in mailing scheduled to begin at 20:00 Wednesday
US Eastern time (i.e., Thu 25 Jul 02 00:00:00 GMT).
Your title and abstract will appear in the next mailing exactly as below.
(Except possibly for the NUMBER which IS NOT OFFICIAL until the next mailing
of abstracts [20:00 US Eastern time (EDT/EST) Sun - Thu] -- it cannot be used
to cross-list to other archives [e.g., from cs to math or physics] until after
that time.) To correct any problems, you MUST replace NOW.
Replacements on the same day (until the 16:00 US Eastern time deadline Mon-Fri)
do not generate a revised date line, so do not hesitate to replace submission
until everything is perfect (including removal of any extraneous files).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\\
Paper: physics/0207095
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:51:38 GMT (423kb)
Title: T-Quark Mass and Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann factor
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: 47 pages - contributed to Southeast Section 2002 APS Meeting, October
31 - November 2, 2002, Auburn, Alabama
Report-no: TS-SES02-1
Subj-class: General Physics
\\
A theoretical model based on the D4 Lie Algebra and Hermitian Symmetric
Spaces D5 / D4xU(1) and E6 / D5xU(1) allows calculation of ratios of tree-level
particle masses (quark masses being constituent masses): Me-neutrino =
Mmu-neutrino = Mtau-neutrino = 0 Me = 0.5110 MeV (assumed); Md = Mu = 312.8
MeV; Mmu = 104.8 MeV; Ms = 625 MeV; Mc = 2.09 GeV; Mtau = 1.88 GeV; Mb = 5.63
GeV; Mt = 130 GeV; W+/- mass = 80.326 GeV; Z0 mass = 91.862 GeV; Higgs mass =
145.8 GeV; Higgs VEV = 252.5 GeV; and ratios of force strength constants:
(Ggravity)(Mproton)2 = 5 x 10-39 (asssumed); EM fine structure constant =
1/137.03608; Gfermi = (Gweak)(Mproton)2 = 1.02 x 10-5; color force strength =
0.6286 (at 0.245 GeV). With Nonperturbative QCD etc taken into account the
color force strength = 0.123 (at 91 GeV). Fermilab (1994) says that Mt = about
170 GeV but I say (1984) that Mt = about 130 GeV. The theoretical Lagrangian is
based on the structure of the real Cl(1,7) Clifford algebra which, through
8-fold periodicity, may produce a real Hyperfinite II1 von Neumann Algebra
factor.
\\
Contains:
text.pdf: 433099 bytes (looks big)
Stored as: 0207095.pdf (423kb)
Warnings:
Author 1: Frank D.
Affiliation: (Tony)
Author 2: Smith
Affiliation: (Cartersville)
-> Number of authors = 2
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Successful submission to the archives can be a significant source of pride
and accomplishment. It entails many serious responsibilities: if you cannot
check off on all of the items below, then you should replace your submission.
(Note: *do not* resubmit, instead use *replace*)
___ The Title/Author fields above are correct.
___ The abstract is complete, correct, and wrapped correctly.
___ Capitalization in title correct (we automatically lower case titles
with excessive use of upper case, but we get some acronyms incorrect
-- replace with uppercase letters only where they should be).
___ The authors are listed in `Firstname Lastname' order.
___ any anonymous ftp or http pointers to additional files are given in
standard url format (e.g. ftp://myhost.domain/path/filename.ext
or http://mywwwhost.domain/path/filename.html)
___ Periods are separated by a space from the end of any URL's
___ Any Journal-ref is a complete bibliographic reference to an already
published version (includes volume and page number info in the case
of a print journal).
___ No raw (uncompressed, un-uuencoded) PostScript was submitted (by e-mail)
___ All files including PostScript figures were included.
___ This paper has not been `put' to any other arXiv.org e-print archives.
___ The full text of the paper itself is available directly from the archive.
___ The submission can be retrieved uncorrupted (TRY IT).
Submitters who repeatedly leave errors uncorrected may lose submission
privilege to the archives. (Replace using the current tentative papernumber
unless notified otherwise.)
If your abstract is improperly wrapped, note that abstract linefill stops at
whitespace indentation (e.g. a blank line or a line indented with space(s)
denotes a new paragraph,and won't be wrapped).
For further hints, keep reading or get the help text by sending a
message with the subject `help', or see http://arXiv.org/help/ . Guidelines
for a properly formatted abstract are given in prep.txt (available via the
`get' command or at http://arXiv.org/help/prep ). If you have not already
read this, please read it now to ensure that you have followed the guidelines.
It is an abuse of valuable archive admin time to edit abstracts by hand, and
negligence will be duly noted and could result in prejudial future treatment.
If you need to replace this paper, use the `replace' command described in the
help text (available via `help' or at http://arXiv.org/help/). The format
of the resubmission itself (with \\'s delineating title/abs etc.) is the same
as for `put'. Your entry will not officially appear in the listings until the
next mailing goes out (and thus cannot yet be accessed via `find' or
`listings' commands), and your papernumber may be changed until that time,
so it is necessary to wait a day before cross-listing, etc.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE `put' TO RESUBMIT THIS PAPER.
A resubmission is treated as a separate submission, and given a new number,
which will have to be removed by hand (and could result in loss of future
submission privileges).
Instead use the replace command (described in the help text).
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE `put' TO SUBMIT THIS PAPER TO ANOTHER
e-print archive within the arXiv system, since the system needs to know that
it is one submission and not multiple.
Instead send the cross-list command (described in the help text)
to the other e-print archive to generate a cross-listing for it.
Figures should not be appended to the TeX file. Instead all of your files
should be tarred, compressed, and uuencoded, and submitted with the `put'
command or replaced with the `replace' command. The utility `uufiles'
available via `get uufiles' or at http://arXiv.org/faq/uufaq.html will
help (`get uufiles' returns the Unix version; use the web link or ftp to
ftp://arXiv.org/software for other platforms).
If you have e-mailed raw PostScript, then it may have been corrupted
in transmission. PostScript should always be compressed and uuencoded
before sending via e-mail -- again, `uufiles' will help with this process.
If your mailer limits the size of your outgoing files, use the `fput' command
(Use `get fput.txt' or http://arXiv.org/help/fput for further information),
or web upload (see http://arXiv.org/help/uploads ).
***NOTES***
1) Avoid excessive cross-listings: cross-listings of a paper on archive-x to
archive-y are intended for subjects of *direct* interest to subscribers of
archive-y. Those subscribers of archive-y who have peripheral or direct
interest in the subjects of archive-x are already subscribed to archive-x and
neither need nor desire multiple receipt of the same abstract. (In particular,
it is exceedingly unlikely that you could decide what is of direct interest to
readers of archive-y if you yourself are not an active reader of archive-y.)
2) Common sense suggests that `replaced' papers are not immediately
rerequested so if your intent is to communicate correct research
it is in your interest to submit a final version in the first place,
i.e. *avoid premature submissions*.
If you later need to replace the submission, it would be helpful to indicate
in the Comments: field (i.e. below Authors: ) how serious is the revision
(e.g. v2: major conceptual changes, v3: minor grammatical changes, etc.),
and include as a commented header in the revised version of the paper a guide
to the changes for posterity.
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:37:40 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 19541 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:51:53 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.238) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:51:53 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 01:51:53 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6O1pqY20908
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:52 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6O1pn712988;
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:49 -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:51:49 -0400
Message-Id: <200207240151.g6O1pn712988@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu, www-admin@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu
Subject: formerly hep-ph/0207285
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT4IOdHkIe5MWgE
Your submission hep-ph/0207285 (to archive hep-ph) was determined
to be better suited to archive physics (Subj-class: General Physics).
For your convenience, hep-ph/0207285 has been removed and has been reentered
into archive physics . (Separate notification has been sent.)
Please send future submissions in this subject area directly to
physics@arXiv.org (Subj-class: General Physics).
Thank you for your cooperation.
(If there are any problems with the above determination, send e-mail to
www-admin@arXiv.org explaining the situation.)
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 10:27:32 2002
Return-Path: <kristrun@kristrun.library.cornell.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from kristrun.library.cornell.edu (kristrun.library.cornell.edu [132.236.212.46])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D9388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:39:23 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: (from kristrun@localhost)
by kristrun.library.cornell.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g6OEUO129924;
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:30:24 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: <15678.47616.314066.977133@kristrun.library.cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:30:24 -0400
From: kristrun <www-admin@arxiv.org>
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
References: <l03102800b963afc866a7@[65.58.18.16]>
X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under Emacs 20.7.1
X-UIDL: ccI"!&pO"!1\a"!!(;!!
All questions and concerns regarding submitter status
with the system should be sent to register-query@arxiv.org
--
arXiv admin
Tony Smith writes:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Keyword: "physics/0006041"
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
> a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
> At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
> and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
> that I was relying on a message that I had received
> from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
> To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Subject: RE: register
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
> Subject: put
> when you have a new submission to make.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
> to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
> Those papers were
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
> and
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
>
> However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
> procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
> using an account that was not .edu
> my attempts were rejected by messages stating
>
> "... Your put request has been rejected.
> Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
> so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
> please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
>
> I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
> requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
>
> After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
> attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
> were completely rejected and void,
> and
> that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
> in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
> with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
> whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
>
> Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
> e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
> appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
> values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
>
> The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
> that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
> in fact processed properly,
> and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
>
> It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
> the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
> to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
> this time with the statement:
>
> "... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
> a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
> assigned a number (see attachment below).
> If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
> deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
> the second copy has been ignored. ...".
>
>
> I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
> stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
> bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
> and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
>
> Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
>
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 10:36:27 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BC388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:03:27 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.79.242] (dialup-63.210.79.242.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.79.242])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 2DC0210E2BE; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9646a352ed2@[65.58.18.16]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:51 -0400
To: register-query@arxiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
X-UIDL: )01!!E0)!!9eK!!d]!"!
Today (24 July 2002) I received the following message,
indicating that the questions involved should be sent
to register-query@arxiv.org
I would appreciate very much receiving some sort of substantive
reply with respect to this matter.
I have not yet received any substantive reply,
although my initial inquiry was made over 10 days ago, on 13 July 2002.
============================================================
Here is the message:
============================================================
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:30:24 -0400
From: kristrun <www-admin@arxiv.org>
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
All questions and concerns regarding submitter status
with the system should be sent to register-query@arxiv.org
--
arXiv admin
Tony Smith writes:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Keyword: "physics/0006041"
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
> a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
> At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
> and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
> that I was relying on a message that I had received
> from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
> To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Subject: RE: register
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
> Subject: put
> when you have a new submission to make.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
> to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
> Those papers were
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
> and
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
>
> However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
> procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
> using an account that was not .edu
> my attempts were rejected by messages stating
>
> "... Your put request has been rejected.
> Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
> so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
> please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
>
> I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
> requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
>
> After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
> attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
> were completely rejected and void,
> and
> that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
> in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
> with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
> whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
>
> Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
> e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
> appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
> values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
>
> The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
> that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
> in fact processed properly,
> and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
>
> It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
> the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
> to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
> this time with the statement:
>
> "... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
> a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
> assigned a number (see attachment below).
> If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
> deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
> the second copy has been ignored. ...".
>
>
> I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
> stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
> bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
> and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
>
> Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
>
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:37:41 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 22564 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 07:36:26 -0700
Received: from 64.158.248.29 (HELO suid.innerx.net)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.246) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 07:36:26 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 14:36:26 GMT
Received: from [63.210.79.242] (dialup-63.210.79.242.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.79.242])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 2DC0210E2BE; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9646a352ed2@[65.58.18.16]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:51 -0400
To: register-query@arxiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT67atHkIfZYJQE
Today (24 July 2002) I received the following message,
indicating that the questions involved should be sent
to register-query@arxiv.org
I would appreciate very much receiving some sort of substantive
reply with respect to this matter.
I have not yet received any substantive reply,
although my initial inquiry was made over 10 days ago, on 13 July 2002.
============================================================
Here is the message:
============================================================
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:30:24 -0400
From: kristrun <www-admin@arxiv.org>
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
All questions and concerns regarding submitter status
with the system should be sent to register-query@arxiv.org
--
arXiv admin
Tony Smith writes:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Keyword: "physics/0006041"
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 13 July 2002 I attempted to put to the e-print arxiv
> a paper with my number TS-SES02-1
> At that time I had no .edu e-mail address,
> and the reason that I used the gen-hp archive was
> that I was relying on a message that I had received
> from xxx.lanl.gov on 9 September 1999, which message was
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
> To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Subject: RE: register
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
> Subject: put
> when you have a new submission to make.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> and I had a history in 2000 and 2001 of successfully putting papers
> to gen-ph with a .net (not .edu) e-mail address.
> Those papers were
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
> and
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
>
> However, when on 13 July 2002 I attempted to follow the same
> procedure with respect to putting TS-SES02-1 on gen-ph
> using an account that was not .edu
> my attempts were rejected by messages stating
>
> "... Your put request has been rejected.
> Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation,
> so if you are trying to submit from a public access provider,
> please use instead (for example) your university account. ...".
>
> I then (also on 13 July 2002) sent a message to register-query@arXiv.org
> requesting guidance on how to put TS-SES02-1 on the arxiv.
>
> After a week had passed with no response, I assumed that my
> attempts to put TS-SES02-1 from my non-university e-mail accounts
> were completely rejected and void,
> and
> that my only recourse was to obtain a .edu account,
> in which case I assumed that I would be treated as anyone else
> with a .edu account, and would be allowed to put TS-SES02-1 to
> whatever arxiv that I thought would be most appropriate.
>
> Earlier today (23 July 2002) I succeeded in getting a .edu
> e-mail account, and, since I thought that TS-SES02-1 was most
> appropriate to hep-ph because it deals with such things as specific
> values of particle masses, I did an e-mail put to hep-ph.
>
> The initial response was positive, and I was given a password
> that allowed me to verify that the abstract and paper were
> in fact processed properly,
> and given the provisional number hep-ph/0207285.
>
> It was only a short while ago, after 8 PM EDT, that I checked
> the archive and my e-mail and realized that, again, my efforts
> to put TS-SES02-1 on the archives had been rejected,
> this time with the statement:
>
> "... The file you have tried to submit has been identified as
> a possible second copy of an existing file, already entered and
> assigned a number (see attachment below).
> If you have indeed tried to put the same paper twice either
> deliberately or inadvertently, this is to notify you that
> the second copy has been ignored. ...".
>
>
> I would appreciate very much a reply from arxiv
> stating how I can put the paper TS-SES02-1 on the archive,
> bearing in mind that as of today I do have a .edu e-mail account,
> and that I do think that hep-ph is probably the most relevant archive.
>
> Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 23 July 2002
>
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 10:36:29 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D80388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:03:28 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6OEaQY28893
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:36:26 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6OEaQm19382;
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:36:26 -0400
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:36:26 -0400
Message-Id: <200207241436.g6OEaQm19382@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: >>L"!iC%"!`ol"!0?:"!
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (summer 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:54:50 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 14802 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.238) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 16:50:25 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6OGoMY29645
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6OGoLL11000;
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Message-Id: <200207241650.g6OGoLL11000@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT7a0tHkIe452gE
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (summer 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:54:51 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 14805 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.238) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 16:50:25 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6OGoMY29638
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6OGoL310988;
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Message-Id: <200207241650.g6OGoL310988@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT7a0tHkIe452wE
Commands to the e-print archive should always be sent
with the command in the subject field.
The command above from the `Subject:' line is missing or not valid.
Check for typos.
If you want a paper, you need to say get before the paper#.
Available commands include:
get put add replace listing find subscribe cancel distribution comment help
cross figures published cget fput freplace
Use the `comment' command to forward a message for human perusal.
For a full list of commands and other descriptive information, use `help',
i.e. send a message with
Subject: help
If all else fails, send a message with
Subject: comment
and include in the message body a description of your problems (as specifically
related to the functioning of these archives).
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:54:49 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 8038 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.248) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:50:25 -0700
X-Received: 24 Jul 2002 16:50:25 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6OGoMY29641
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g6OGoLi10996;
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0400
Message-Id: <200207241650.g6OGoLi10996@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to www-admin)
Reply-To: www-admin@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT7a0dHkIfgfaQE
This auto-reply acknowledges that your message to www-admin@arXiv.org
has been received at our local time of Wed Jul 24 12:50:21 2002 (EDT),
and will be given due consideration.
Problems with new submissions are typically resolved before the 16:00
US Eastern time weekday deadline (i.e., within roughly 3 1/4 hours
from now).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note that this is an automated archive, and the address www-admin@arXiv.org
is for administrative purposes only (all other messages will be ignored).
Submissions, requests for papers, subscription requests, etc., should all
be sent directly to the e-mail address of the archive in question.
Queries regarding author registration and related policies should be sent
only to register-query@arXiv.org .
While fan mail is appreciated, personal responses are not always possible.
Help texts are available via the WorldWideWeb at http://arXiv.org/help ,
or by sending e-mail to one of the archive addresses, e.g.
To: hep-th@arXiv.org
Subject: help
Mini-FAQ:
Postscript and source files are transmitted as gzipped binaries, for info see
http://arXiv.org/help/ps and http://arXiv.org/help/unpack .
Send any complaints regarding submissions (missing figures, references, ...)
directly to submitter: e-mail address is available from abstract page.
If you are receiving "Access Denied" from the main archive, then you should use
the nearest mirror site (list at http://arXiv.org/servers.html ).
Message joins 115 other compelling messages current in queue.
Have a mythological day.
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 12:54:11 2002
Return-Path: <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 4462 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:50:10 -0700
Received: from 209.246.181.37 (HELO ?209.246.181.37?)
by smtp.alumni.princeton.edu (209.228.33.240) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:50:10 -0700
X-Sent: 24 Jul 2002 16:50:10 GMT
X-Sender: fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Message-Id: <l03102800b96488903bea@[209.246.181.72]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:53:57 -0400
To: www-admin@arXiv.org, physics@arXiv.org, register-query@arxiv.org
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Cc: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu, tsmith@innerx.net
Status: U
X-UIDL: PT7axNHkIfARhgE
I just now (about 12:40 PM on 24 July 2002) checked my .edu e-mail
and found that my paper number TS-SES02-1 has been posted on
the archives at http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
Thank you very much for posting the paper,
and for resolving my queries of 13 July 2002 and subsequent date.
Your action takes care of all my pending queries,
and I thank you very much for resolving the matter,
posting the paper on the archive to which I originally submitted it.
I have verified that the abstract and paper seem to be properly uploaded.
Thanks again.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 24 july 2002
From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 13:09:09 2002
Return-Path: <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h012.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 93495388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:17:33 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: (cpmta 4462 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:50:10 -0700
Received: from 209.246.181.37 (HELO ?209.246.181.37?)
by smtp.alumni.princeton.edu (209.228.33.240) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:50:10 -0700
X-Sent: 24 Jul 2002 16:50:10 GMT
X-Sender: fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Message-Id: <l03102800b96488903bea@[209.246.181.72]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:53:57 -0400
To: www-admin@arXiv.org, physics@arXiv.org, register-query@arxiv.org
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: physics comment from tsmith@innerx.net
Cc: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu, tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: CKb"!C,Q!!JJn!!8n*!!
I just now (about 12:40 PM on 24 July 2002) checked my .edu e-mail
and found that my paper number TS-SES02-1 has been posted on
the archives at http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
Thank you very much for posting the paper,
and for resolving my queries of 13 July 2002 and subsequent date.
Your action takes care of all my pending queries,
and I thank you very much for resolving the matter,
posting the paper on the archive to which I originally submitted it.
I have verified that the abstract and paper seem to be properly uploaded.
Thanks again.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 24 july 2002
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 10:39:50 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 10379 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 07:29:40 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.247) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 07:29:40 -0700
X-Received: 8 Aug 2002 14:29:40 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g78ETbY00666
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:29:37 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g78ETa929465;
Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:29:36 -0400
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:29:36 -0400
Message-Id: <200208081429.g78ETa929465@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to gen-ph)
Reply-To: gen-ph@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: put
Status: U
X-UIDL: PVKAVtHkIfcolwE
Your put request has been rejected.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation, so if
you are trying to submit from a public access provider, please use instead
(for example) your university account.
(Otherwise it may be because you have tried to put the same paper multiple
times either to the same or to different e-print archives
[instead of using the replace or cross-list commands], or because an automated
referee has determined that you put papers to the wrong e-print archive.)
In the event that you have received this message in error, please
send a message to register-query@arXiv.org explaining the situation.
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 10:33:46 2002
Return-Path: <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 6578 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 07:28:22 -0700
Received: from 209.246.186.87 (HELO ?209.246.186.87?)
by smtp.alumni.princeton.edu (209.228.33.236) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 07:28:22 -0700
X-Sent: 8 Aug 2002 14:28:22 GMT
X-Sender: fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Message-Id: <l03102800b9782eea1a2c@[209.246.181.37]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1183305350==_============"
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:32:23 -0400
To: gen-ph@arXiv.org
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: put
Cc: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PVKAStHkIewdaAE
\\
Title: Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
Authors: Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. (Cartersville)
Comments: to be contributed to Quantum Mind 2003 - Consciousness, Quantum
Physics and the Brain, March 15-19, 2003, University of Arizona, Tucson,
Arizona
Report no: TS-QM03-1
\\
Penrose and Hameroff have proposed that consciousness in the
human brain may be based on gravitational interactions and
quantum superposition states of electrons in tubulin cages
in microtubules. Chiao has proposed experimental construction
of a gravity antenna that might be analogous to tubulin caged
electrons. Tegmark has criticized Penrose-Hameroff quantum
consciousness, based on thermal decoherence of any such quantum
superposition states. This paper briefly describes some experimental
results and theoretical ideas that indicate to me that Tegmark's
criticism may be invalid. Such theoretical ideas include Mead's
quantum physics of resonance. This paper closes with brief summaries
of relevant experiments of Grinberg-Zylberbaum, the quantum cosmology
of Paula Zizzi, and 26-dimensional closed unoriented bosonic string
theory interpreted as a many-worlds quantum theory in which strings
correspond to world lines, with massless spin-2 gravitons in
26-dimensions corresponding to gravitational interaction among
tubulin electrons in states with Penrose-Hameroff superposition
separation.
\\
Attachment converted: iCube:QM03.pdf (PDF /CARO) (00029E59)
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 10:44:16 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 1244 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 07:39:36 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.245) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 07:39:36 -0700
X-Received: 8 Aug 2002 14:39:36 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g78EdZY00765
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:39:35 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g78EdXf31261;
Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:39:33 -0400
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:39:33 -0400
Message-Id: <200208081439.g78EdXf31261@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to physics)
Reply-To: physics@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: register
Status: U
X-UIDL: PVKCqNHkIfUE3QE
Your register request has been deferred.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation, so if
you are trying to register from a public access provider, please use instead
(for example) your university account.
If you are trying to register from an e-mail account with a research employer
that officially sponsors your work, then please send a message to
register-query@arXiv.org with brief information on that employer
(including a pointer to that employer's web pages).
If you have no suitable institutional affiliation, then please find someone
with such an affiliation, and with expertise in the relevant subject matter,
to sponsor your activities.
In the event that you have received this message in error, please
send a message to register-query@arXiv.org explaining the situation.
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 10:43:39 2002
Return-Path: <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 15657 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 07:39:28 -0700
Received: from 209.246.186.87 (HELO ?209.246.186.87?)
by smtp.alumni.princeton.edu (209.228.33.236) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 07:39:28 -0700
X-Sent: 8 Aug 2002 14:39:28 GMT
X-Sender: fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Message-Id: <l03102802b97833e24501@[209.246.186.87]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:43:30 -0400
To: physics@arXiv.org
From: Frank D Tony Smith <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: register
Cc: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Status: U
X-UIDL: PVKCodHkIew9NwE
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 10:57:52 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: alumni.princeton.edu%fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Received: (cpmta 27663 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 07:53:41 -0700
Received: from 128.84.154.75 (HELO yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu)
by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.247) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 07:53:41 -0700
X-Received: 8 Aug 2002 14:53:41 GMT
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g78EreY00788
for <fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:40 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g78ErcC01771;
Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:38 -0400
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:38 -0400
Message-Id: <200208081453.g78ErcC01771@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
Subject: RE: put request rejection
Status: U
X-UIDL: PVKF99HkIfdsIQE
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (summer 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 18:04:51 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19517388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:29:03 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.22.38] (dialup-65.58.22.38.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.22.38])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 8E15810E2E9; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:24:38 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b978929907d2@[209.246.188.118]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0400
To: hameroff@u.arizona.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: _YB!!kH##!!,4"!IEg"!
You may not remember me, but we had some e-mail correspondences
a few years ago about tubulin electrons and quantum consciousness.
When I saw an announcement at
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
of Quantum Mind 2003 to be held at Arizona in March 2003,
I was very interested. (I was particularly happy to see
that Paola Zizzi would be there, as I think that her
quantum cosmology is very interesting and important.)
I thought that I would like to contribute a paper,
so I wrote up something that I thought might be relevant
and interesting. Its title is
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance.
In order that people might see it widely
prior to the meeting, and therefore be able to offer more
informed comments and criticisms, I attempted today (Thursday,
8 August 2003) to put the paper on the e-print archives.
I used the e-mail put format with my .edu e-mail address,
which is
fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
because I thought that the people at arXiv.org preferred .edu addresses.
However, my attempted put was rejected,
and the arXiv.org people said in their rejection message:
"... Your put request has been rejected.
... we require an appropriate institutional affiliation ...".
I complained about the rejection to the people at arXiv.org,
but have not received any substantive reply.
Since I am not employed by any educational institution or laboratory,
it seems that I cannot put papers on arXiv.org archives
without a lot of difficulty.
It took me over a week of arguing by e-mail to get another paper put up at
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
and I am tired of having to fight and argue for weeks in order to
simply get a paper on the archives. (Before Cornell got control of
the archives, I was able to put papers on the gen-ph archive without
so much trouble.)
My question to you is whether or not you think that it would be
worth the effort to continue arguing with the Cornell people at arXiv.org,
which is basically a question of whether you think that my paper
is worth archiving.
It is a 178k pdf file, and you can download it from my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
If you prefer to see it in html format (where some links are active
and work, unlike my pdf), then you could go to
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuantumMind2003.html
My apologies for burdening you with this matter.
If you think that my paper is not worth the effort,
then please just say so and I will take your word for it,
with no hard feelings,
and take no further action with respect to putting it on arXiv.org archives.
On the other hand, if you think that the paper might be useful,
I would appreciate any help you could give me,
as I would be willing (not very happy, though) to fight to get
something on the arXiv.org archives that should be archived for
people to see now and in the future.
Tony Smith 8 August 2002
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 20:38:05 2002
Return-Path: <hameroff@email.arizona.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357A9388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:06:07 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [198.60.159.10] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:41:44 -0700
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:41:44 -0700
Message-ID: <3D500DB400003857@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b978929907d2@[209.246.188.118]>
From: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
Subject: RE: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
To: "Tony Smith" <tsmith@innerx.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: UofA Webmail
X-Originating-IP: 198.60.159.10
X-UIDL: !kQ"!Fo'#!igI"![mf!!
Hi Tony
Of course I remember you. I'm glad you will participate in the conference!
I will have to take some time to read your paper, but I think its worth archiving
(of course I'd say anything dealing with Orch OR is worthy, supportive or
critical).(And I assume you saw our paper in Phys Rev E contra Tegmark).
Have you seen the online journal NeuroQuantology? They would love it I'm
sure.
You could ask someone who is in physics and affilated with a university to
"communicate it" to the archives.
I'll look it over but keep trying, as above.
cheers
Stuart
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0400
>To: hameroff@u.arizona.edu
>From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
>Subject: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
>Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
>
>
>You may not remember me, but we had some e-mail correspondences
>a few years ago about tubulin electrons and quantum consciousness.
>
>When I saw an announcement at
>http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
>of Quantum Mind 2003 to be held at Arizona in March 2003,
>I was very interested. (I was particularly happy to see
>that Paola Zizzi would be there, as I think that her
>quantum cosmology is very interesting and important.)
>
>I thought that I would like to contribute a paper,
>so I wrote up something that I thought might be relevant
>and interesting. Its title is
>
>Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
>Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance.
>
>
>In order that people might see it widely
>prior to the meeting, and therefore be able to offer more
>informed comments and criticisms, I attempted today (Thursday,
>8 August 2003) to put the paper on the e-print archives.
>I used the e-mail put format with my .edu e-mail address,
>which is
>fdtsmith@alumni.princeton.edu
>because I thought that the people at arXiv.org preferred .edu addresses.
>
>However, my attempted put was rejected,
>and the arXiv.org people said in their rejection message:
>"... Your put request has been rejected.
>... we require an appropriate institutional affiliation ...".
>
>I complained about the rejection to the people at arXiv.org,
>but have not received any substantive reply.
>
>Since I am not employed by any educational institution or laboratory,
>it seems that I cannot put papers on arXiv.org archives
>without a lot of difficulty.
>It took me over a week of arguing by e-mail to get another paper put up
at
>http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
>and I am tired of having to fight and argue for weeks in order to
>simply get a paper on the archives. (Before Cornell got control of
>the archives, I was able to put papers on the gen-ph archive without
>so much trouble.)
>
>My question to you is whether or not you think that it would be
>worth the effort to continue arguing with the Cornell people at arXiv.org,
>which is basically a question of whether you think that my paper
>is worth archiving.
>
>It is a 178k pdf file, and you can download it from my web site at
>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
>
>If you prefer to see it in html format (where some links are active
>and work, unlike my pdf), then you could go to
>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuantumMind2003.html
>
>
>My apologies for burdening you with this matter.
>If you think that my paper is not worth the effort,
>then please just say so and I will take your word for it,
>with no hard feelings,
>and take no further action with respect to putting it on arXiv.org archives.
>
>On the other hand, if you think that the paper might be useful,
>I would appreciate any help you could give me,
>as I would be willing (not very happy, though) to fight to get
>something on the arXiv.org archives that should be archived for
>people to see now and in the future.
>
>Tony Smith 8 August 2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 21:50:40 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AF1388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:58:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.188.180] (dialup-209.246.188.180.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.188.180])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id A739010E2CF; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:54:16 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b978c4c8d260@[65.58.22.38]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:34:12 -0400
To: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: contribution to Quantum Mind 2003
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: M`(!!c?["!6EY!!dQT!!
Thanks for the encouragement. I will (somewhat grumpily) continue
to try to get the arXiv.org people to put up the paper.
Thanks for mentioning the journal NeuroQuantology.
I have seen the web page
http://med.ege.edu.tr/~tarlaci/
but when I first looked at it I could not see much about details
of the journal. After you mentioned it in your message,
I looked closely at the source code for that page,
and saw that a lot of the material is encoded in a java applet.
Since I browse the web with java disabled (for security reasons)
I did not see the details until now. I will investigate it further.
If you know the people who run the web page, maybe you might
suggest to them that it might be useful for wider readership
to have a simpler interface, not requiring java,
for at least some of the details about the journal.
I have indeed seen your paper in Phys Rev E contra Tegmark,
and I cited it as one of several reasons that I think that
Tegmark is wrong.
In my opinion, Tegmark set up a straw man and knocked it down,
and then claimed victory for his viewpoint,
but, of course,
the straw man is not at equivalent to tubulin electron quantum consciousness.
I am sort of amazed at how many people now dismiss tubulin
electron quantum consciousness out of hand (and without independent
thought), just saying "Oh, that is wrong. Tegmark has disproved it.".
As a trial lawyer, I have seen such deceptions succeed (although
I will say that I don't like them and don't use them, and
even so sometimes I get a reasonable outcome),
but it is especially disheartening to see such things in science,
which I used to be naive enough to believe was a substantially
objective search for truth.
Of course, there are idealistic statements about legal trials being
judicial processes whose primary goal is to search for truth,
but anybody that believes that is widely true is living in a dream world.
I am unhappy to say that it seems to me that the fraction of honest
search-for-truth scientists now seems to be approaching the
fraction of trial lawyers who view trials as searches-for-truth.
Sorry for the digression, and thanks again for your encouragement.
Tony 8 August 2002
From ???@??? Sat Aug 10 18:50:00 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (unknown [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA660388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:13:59 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.22.24] (dialup-65.58.22.24.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.22.24])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 12C7F10E285; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b97b31ccc937@[63.210.75.167]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:49:49 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: request for registration
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
X-UIDL: E9a"!cVe!!5-^!!QQ&#!
As you can tell by checking correspondence files over July and August 2002,
I have had complications with respect to attempts to put
papers on the e-print archives.
Eventually my put of
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
was accepted, as was my replacement to correct some material
about the Kobayashi-maskawa phase.
However, my attempt to put my paper TS-QM03-1 entitled
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
was rejected, and even though I sought reconsideration,
and as far as I know it still stands rejected.
In order to resolve the matter of my status with clarity,
and to avoid future complications and perhaps to
expedite your reconsideration of my paper TS-QM03-1
I am sending this my request that I be registered as
an author on the e-print archives.
I did attempt to do so, in connection with my attempt
to put my paper TS-QM03-1, but I received a rejection reply
that said, in part:
"... Your register request has been deferred.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation
... please use ... your university account.
If you are trying to register from an e-mail account with
a research employer that officially sponsors your work ...
If you have no suitable institutional affiliation,
then please find someone with such an affiliation,
and with expertise in the relevant subject matter,
to sponsor your activities. ...".
I do have a university e-mail account which is
fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
(In fact one reason that I obtained it in July 2002 was to try
to compy with your request that I "use ... [my] university account".)
and
I did use it in my attempt to put up my paper TS-QM03-1
but
since that attempt was rejected,
it must be that for some reason you do not consider it
to be a "university account".
I hereby request that you state your position with respect
to that university account clearly and explicitly.
I am self-employed, and do not have a third party "research employer".
I do not understand exactly what you mean when you say
that I should "find" "someone with such an affiliation"
who is "with expertise in the relevant subject matter"
to "sponsor [my] activities".
More particularly:
Exactly what would "someone" have to do to "sponsor [my] activities" ?
Exactly how much "expertise" would that "someone" have to have with
respect to each paper that I might want to put on the e-print archives ?
For instance, would that require such a "someone" to read in detail,
understand, and effectively referee each such paper ?
Exactly what is "such an affiliation" ?
For instance, would a professorship at an accredited physics
department in a USA university be sufficient, or might there
be other and/or further requirements ?
Exactly what would be involved in my effort to "find" such a
a "someone" ?
Especially, would I be required to pay such a "someone" for
time and effort expended to "sponsor [my] activities" ?
I think that my history of putting papers on the e-print archives
is relevant, so here it is:
When I had the e-mail account gt0109e@prism.gatech.edu at Georgia Tech,
I put up the following papers from Georgia Tech:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9301210
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9302008
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9302030
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9306011
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9402003
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9403007
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9501252
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503009
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503015
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9512438
After I no longer had a Georgia Tech e-mail account,
I had for a time the account fsmith@pegasus.cau.edu at CTSPS
at Clark Atlanta University, from which I put up the following papers:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9708379
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9806023
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9908205
After the CTSPS - Clark Atlanta University account ceased to be
used regularly by me, I had an e-mail discussion with the people
at xxx.lanl.gov which resulted in their telling me:
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
> To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Subject: RE: register
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
> Subject: put
> when you have a new submission to make.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
That arrangement, suggested by the people at xxx.lanl.gov,
was at that time satisfactory with me
and pursuant to it I put up the following papers:
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
That brings my history to the time of the complications
that I have encountered during July and August 2002.
Since the complications that I have encountered during
July and August 2002 involve whatever policy that you may have
with respect to registration,
and
since your web page at
http://arXiv.org/
states in part "... $This archive is based upon activities
supported by the U.S. National Science Foundation
under Agreement No. 0132355 (7/01-6/04) with Cornell University.$$ ...".
I hereby formally request to be registered as an author
on the e-print archives and that I be given
an author username and password that is as effective
as are most such author usernames and passwords,
and
I also hereby formally request that you send to me a
complete statement of any policy or policies that you
may have with respect to registration, as well as copies
of all documentation in your posession or control (including
electronic documentation) relative to such policy or policies
and the formulation of such policy or policies.
I further formally request that you preserve all such documentation
for at least the balance of the calendar year 2002, and perhaps
longer if circumstances warrant.
Since the web page at
http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/manntom2.cgi?section=networked&URL=g
ateway.html
lists the CU Library Gateway e-Reference Collection as including
"... arXiv.org e-print archive ..."
I am sending a copy of this messaage to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
and a paper printout copy of this message by US mail addressed to:
CU Library Gateway Re: arXiv.org e-print archive
201 Olin
Library
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 10 August 2002
From ???@??? Sat Aug 10 18:52:16 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12902388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:14:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7AMo4Y20219
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:50:07 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g7AMo3e15938;
Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:50:03 -0400
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:50:03 -0400
Message-Id: <200208102250.g7AMo3e15938@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: request for registration
X-UIDL: B~##!$AE!!>;<!!3G5!!
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (summer 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Mon Aug 12 19:57:27 2002
Return-Path: <jp126@cornell.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.7])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15182388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:37:00 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from headlibrarian2.cornell.edu (headlibrarian2.psl.cornell.edu [132.236.40.30])
by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12968;
Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020812165355.01a66088@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>
X-Sender: jp126@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified)
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:13:16 -0400
To: tsmith@innerx.net
From: Jean Poland <jp126@cornell.edu>
Subject: Fwd: request for registration
Cc: paul Ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>, esw3@cornell.edu,
hth2@cornell.edu
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=====================_698937018==_.ALT"
X-UIDL: 7PI"!UoH!!@DT"!_Cn"!
<html><html>
<font size=3>Dear Dr. Smith:<br><br>
I am responding to your note to the Cornell University Library Gateway
about your submission to arXiv. At this time we are reviewing the
policies for submission of material to arXiv and I will be happy to
forward a copy of those to you when we they are complete. We are
also reviewing the registration process.<br><br>
Your submission has been deferred for review, as are all submissions from
a ".net" address. A representative of arXiv will respond
to your request within the week. <br><br>
I appreciate your patience in this matter.<br><br>
Jean Poland<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Date:
Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:49:49 -0400<br>
To: register-query@arXiv.org<br>
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net><br>
Subject: request for registration<br>
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu (LIBGATEWAY-L)<br>
Reply-To: LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu<br>
Sender: owner-LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu<br><br>
As you can tell by checking correspondence files over July and August
2002,<br>
I have had complications with respect to attempts to put<br>
papers on the e-print archives.<br><br>
Eventually my put of<br>
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0207095" eudora="autourl">http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095</a><br>
was accepted, as was my replacement to correct some material<br>
about the Kobayashi-maskawa phase.<br><br>
However, my attempt to put my paper TS-QM03-1 entitled<br>
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,<br>
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance<br>
was rejected, and even though I sought reconsideration,<br>
and as far as I know it still stands rejected.<br><br>
<br>
In order to resolve the matter of my status with clarity,<br>
and to avoid future complications and perhaps to<br>
expedite your reconsideration of my paper TS-QM03-1<br>
I am sending this my request that I be registered as<br>
an author on the e-print archives.<br><br>
I did attempt to do so, in connection with my attempt<br>
to put my paper TS-QM03-1, but I received a rejection reply<br>
that said, in part:<br><br>
"... Your register request has been deferred.<br>
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation<br>
... please use ... your university account.<br>
If you are trying to register from an e-mail account with<br>
a research employer that officially sponsors your work ...<br>
If you have no suitable institutional affiliation,<br>
then please find someone with such an affiliation,<br>
and with expertise in the relevant subject matter,<br>
to sponsor your activities. ...".<br><br>
<br>
I do have a university e-mail account which is<br>
fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu<br>
(In fact one reason that I obtained it in July 2002 was to
try<br>
to compy with your request that I "use ... [my] university
account".)<br>
and<br>
I did use it in my attempt to put up my paper TS-QM03-1<br>
but<br>
since that attempt was rejected,<br>
it must be that for some reason you do not consider it<br>
to be a "university account".<br>
I hereby request that you state your position with respect<br>
to that university account clearly and explicitly.<br><br>
I am self-employed, and do not have a third party "research
employer".<br><br>
I do not understand exactly what you mean when you say<br>
that I should "find" "someone with such an
affiliation"<br>
who is "with expertise in the relevant subject matter"<br>
to "sponsor [my] activities".<br><br>
More particularly:<br><br>
Exactly what would "someone" have to do to "sponsor
[my] activities" ?<br><br>
Exactly how much "expertise" would that
"someone" have to have with<br>
respect to each paper that I might want to put on the e-print
archives ?<br>
For instance, would that require
such a "someone" to read in detail,<br>
understand, and effectively referee
each such paper ?<br><br>
Exactly what is "such an affiliation" ?<br>
For instance, would a professorship
at an accredited physics<br>
department in a USA university be
sufficient, or might there<br>
be other and/or further requirements
?<br><br>
Exactly what would be involved in my effort to "find"
such a<br>
a "someone" ?<br>
Especially, would I be required to
pay such a "someone" for<br>
time and effort expended to
"sponsor [my] activities" ?<br><br>
<br><br>
I think that my history of putting papers on the e-print archives<br>
is relevant, so here it is:<br><br>
When I had the e-mail account gt0109e@prism.gatech.edu at Georgia
Tech,<br>
I put up the following papers from Georgia Tech:<br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9301210" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9301210</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9302008" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9302008</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9302030" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9302030</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9306011" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9306011</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9402003" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9402003</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9403007" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9403007</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9501252" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9501252</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503009" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503009</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503015" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503015</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9512438" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9512438</a><br><br>
After I no longer had a Georgia Tech e-mail account,<br>
I had for a time the account fsmith@pegasus.cau.edu at CTSPS<br>
at Clark Atlanta University, from which I put up the following
papers:<br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9708379" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9708379</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9806023" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9806023</a><br><br>
<a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9908205" eudora="autourl">http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9908205</a><br><br>
After the CTSPS - Clark Atlanta University account ceased to be<br>
used regularly by me, I had an e-mail discussion with the people<br>
at xxx.lanl.gov which resulted in their telling me:<br>
> -------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net<br>
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600<br>
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)<br>
> To: tsmith@innerx.net<br>
> Subject: RE: register<br>
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov<br>
><br>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as<br>
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?<br>
><br>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail<br>
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov<br>
> Subject: put<br>
> when you have a new submission to make.<br>
><br>
> --------------------------------------------------<br><br>
That arrangement, suggested by the people at xxx.lanl.gov,<br>
was at that time satisfactory with me<br>
and pursuant to it I put up the following papers:<br><br>
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0006041" eudora="autourl">http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041</a><br><br>
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0102042" eudora="autourl">http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042</a><br><br>
That brings my history to the time of the complications<br>
that I have encountered during July and August 2002.<br><br>
Since the complications that I have encountered during<br>
July and August 2002 involve whatever policy that you may have<br>
with respect to registration,<br>
and<br>
since your web page at<br>
<a href="http://arxiv.org/" eudora="autourl">http://arXiv.org/</a><br>
states in part "... $This archive is based upon activities<br>
supported by the U.S. National Science Foundation<br>
under Agreement No. 0132355 (7/01-6/04) with Cornell University.$$
...".<br><br>
I hereby formally request to be registered as an author<br>
on the e-print archives and that I be given<br>
an author username and password that is as effective<br>
as are most such author usernames and passwords,<br>
and<br>
I also hereby formally request that you send to me a<br>
complete statement of any policy or policies that you<br>
may have with respect to registration, as well as copies<br>
of all documentation in your posession or control (including<br>
electronic documentation) relative to such policy or policies<br>
and the formulation of such policy or policies.<br>
I further formally request that you preserve all such documentation<br>
for at least the balance of the calendar year 2002, and perhaps<br>
longer if circumstances warrant.<br><br>
Since the web page at<br>
<a href="http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/manntom2.cgi?section=networked&URL=g" eudora="autourl">http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/manntom2.cgi?section=networked&URL=g</a><br>
ateway.html<br>
lists the CU Library Gateway e-Reference Collection as including<br>
"... arXiv.org e-print archive ..."<br>
I am sending a copy of this messaage to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu<br>
and a paper printout copy of this message by US mail addressed
to:<br><br>
CU Library Gateway Re: arXiv.org e-print archive<br>
201 Olin<br>
Library<br>
Cornell University<br>
Ithaca, NY 14853<br><br>
<br><br>
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 10 August
2002</blockquote></blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Jean
Poland
<br>
Associate University Librarian for Engineering, Mathematics, and Physical
Sciences<br>
293 Clark Hall of Science<br>
Cornell University <br>
Ithaca, NY 14853-2501<br>
Email:jp126@cornell.edu<br>
Phone: 607/255-4016<br>
Fax: 607/255-5288<br>
Web:
<a href="http://www.library.cornell.edu/EMPSL/" eudora="autourl">http://www.library.cornell.edu/EMPSL/</a></font></html>
</html>
From ???@??? Mon Aug 12 20:13:42 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6D1388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:36:45 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.22.122] (dialup-65.58.22.122.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.22.122])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id F1B6D10E32C; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b97dfc1f5116@[209.246.177.205]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:12:02 -0400
To: jp126@cornell.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: request for registration
Cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu, esw3@cornell.edu, hth2@cornell.edu,
tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: !%)#!hiF!!eD$#!c;I"!
Thank you very much for your reply to my message requesting
that I be registered as an author for submission of papers
to the e-print archives at arxiv.org.
Since you "... are reviewing the policies for submission of material
to arXiv ..." and "... are also reviewing the registration process. ...",
I would like to let you know that I have no problem whatsoever
with waiting a reasonable time for you for formulate such policies,
as I think that it is much better to take some time to formulate a good
policy than to rush the formulation process.
Perhaps some of the information (and some of my questions) in my request
might be helpful to you in the formulation process.
In any event, whatever you eventually decide, I would like to thank
you very much for the courtesy of a reply from a human being.
As I said, please feel free, as far as my request is concerned,
to take whatever reasonable time you need for policy formulation,
and
thank you for agreeing to forward to me a copy of the resulting policy
when it has been formulated.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 12 August 202
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:03:42 -0400
To: jp126@cornell.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: paper and registration
Cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu, esw3@cornell.edu, hth2@cornell.edu,
tsmith@innerx.net
As it has been about two weeks since I last heard from you about my two
requests:
1 - that my paper TS-QM03-1 be put on the gen-ph archive; and
2 - that I be registered on the e-print archives as an author, with an
author username and password;
I am sending this message to inquire about the status of those two requests.
As I said about two weeks ago, I have no problem whatsoever with waiting a
reasonable
time for you for formulate registration policies, as I think that it is
much better to take
some time to formulate a good policy than to rush the formulation process.
I am only sending this message in order to avoid having either or both of
my requests forgotten.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 26 August 2002
From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 01:31:28 2002
Return-Path: <register-query@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260C1388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 01:27:33 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8928eY00630
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:08:42 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g8928Zm06439;
Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:08:35 -0400
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:08:35 -0400
Message-Id: <200209090208.g8928Zm06439@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
From: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: request for registration
Cc:
X-UIDL: I8D"!c\0"!ZDS!!TZ;!!
> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:49:49 -0400
> To: register-query@arXiv.org
> From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
> Subject: request for registration
> Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
> ...
>
> I do have a university e-mail account which is
> fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation.
> I think that my history of putting papers on the e-print archives
> is relevant, so here it is:
This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov, so the history is not strictly relevant.
Moreover the nature of your former use of institional e-mail accounts is
unclear.
> When I had the e-mail account gt0109e@prism.gatech.edu at Georgia Tech,
> I put up the following papers from Georgia Tech:
> ...
> After the CTSPS - Clark Atlanta University account ceased to be
> used regularly by me, I had an e-mail discussion with the people
> at xxx.lanl.gov which resulted in their telling me:
> ..
> That arrangement, suggested by the people at xxx.lanl.gov,
> was at that time satisfactory with me
> and pursuant to it I put up the following papers:
There is no evidence that any of these has been considered peer-reviewable by
a conventional journal (formerly hep-th/9302030 claimed do have been published
in Phys Rev D, we do not know the origin of that error -- the erroneous
Journal-ref has been removed.)
The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would be considered
peer-reviewable by conventional journals. That is what sponsorship by someone
with expertise in the subject matter means in your case, without a suitable
institutional sponsorship for your activities.
Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom of the queue,
and take that much longer to receive response.
From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 02:03:15 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BEF388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:20:29 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8961iY07148
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:01:44 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g8961gj13751;
Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:01:42 -0400
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:01:42 -0400
Message-Id: <200209090601.g8961gj13751@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: RE: request for registration
X-UIDL: =HS"!0a!#!M`'"!+Xj"!
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (Fall 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 02:03:14 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93974388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:20:27 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.22.250] (dialup-65.58.22.250.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.22.250])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 6334910E244; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 01:17:04 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a1e50b1ea1@[209.246.190.254]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:03:02 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: request for registration
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ~<'"!/VY!!/XV"!9#-"!
You say: "... formerly hep-th/9302030 claimed do have been published
in Phys Rev D, we do not know the origin of that error -- the erroneous
Journal-ref has been removed ...".
I do not know the origin of that error either. I did not submit
that paper to any journal (including Phys Rev D) for publication,
and I thank you for removing any erroneous journal references.
As I understand it, you have rejected my request to be
registered as an author, but I am unclear about what you
mean by
"... sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject
matter area means in ...[my]... case ...
that would be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals. ...".
Do you mean that I must have publication acceptance by
a "conventional journal" prior to making any further put to
the e-print archives?
Is that a uniform policy for all persons without "institutional
sponsosrship"?
In particular, with respect to my attempt to put my paper TS-QM03-1
entitled
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
on the gen-ph e-print archive,
which is what led to this exchange of communications,
I have contributed that paper to a meeting:
Quantum Mind 2003
Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain
March 15-19, 2003, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona
whose organizing committee is
Stuart Hameroff, Paavo Pylkkanen, Jack Tuszynski, Dick Bierman,
Nancy Woolf,Scott Hagan, Avner Priel, Fred Thaheld, Adele Behar,
Pierre St. Hilaire, Paola Zizzi, Alexander Wendt, Andrew Duggins,
Harald Walach, Jeffrey Satinover.
Would an e-mail message to you from a member of the organizing
committee be sufficient
"sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject"
for my paper TS-QM03-1 to be put on the gen-ph e-print archive?
If so, how should such an e-mail message be addressed,
and what should be its content?
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 9 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 09:33:06 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0290388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:46:23 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.184.119] (dialup-209.246.184.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.184.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id A39DD10E302; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a249411f58@[65.58.22.250]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:29:01 -0400
To: swimp@shaw.ca
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: internet etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: `g<!!GR+#!TmG!!^"]"!
Gary, I have submitted a paper entitled
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
to a meeting
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
Quantum Mind 2003
Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain
March 15-19, 2003, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona.
So that people could read my paper,
I not only put it on my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf (pdf file)
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuantumMind2003.html (html format)
but I also attempted to put it on the e-print archive
for general physics (gen-ph).
On 8 August 2002, my attempt to put it up was rejected.
As a matter of note, the e-print archive web site at
http://arXiv.org/new/
states:
"... 13 Dec 2001
arXiv.org main site hardware operations transferred
to the Cornell University Library site
cul.arXiv.org = xxx.arXiv.cornell.edu
...
4 Sep 2001
Administrative oversight for arXiv operations transferred
to the Cornell University Library (CUL),
and configuration of the cul.arXiv.org = xxx.arXiv.cornell.edu
mirror site proceeds. ...",
so that Cornell, rather than Los Alamos, is now running the
e-print archives.
Since I wanted my paper put up, I corresponded with the Cornell
archives asking to be registered as an author and that the
paper be put on the gen-ph archive.
In that correspondence, I pointed out that I had put up
a number of papers (over a dozen) since 1993.
Last night (Sunday 8 September 2002) I received a rejection
from register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
that said:
----------------------------------------------------------------
"... Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation. ...
This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov, so the history is not strictly relevant.
Moreover
the nature of your former use of institional e-mail accounts is unclear.
...
There is no evidence that any of these [papers that I had put up
since 1993] has been considered peer-reviewable by a conventional journal
...
The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
That is what sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject matter
means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
your activities.
Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom
of the queue, and take that much longer to receive response. ...".
----------------------------------------------------------------
I did reply as they requested (evidently they did not like the
fact that I had sent messages to the Cornell University Library
people, who are supposed to be in charge of the archives),
and
I asked whether
"... an e-mail message to you from a member of the organizing
committee [of the Arizona meeting] be sufficient
"sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject"
for my paper [I gave it a number] TS-QM03-1 to be put on
the gen-ph e-print archive? ...".
I sent that message last night, and I have not yet received
a reply.
No matter what that reply might be,
this situation, especially their implication that none of
my work since 1993 is worthy of publication,
and
the impression that I have that I am being held to
a different standard from most other submitters,
makes me unhappy,
so much so that I am not going to participate in any
more internet science stuff, other than to leave my
web site on the web as it is as of now.
Therefore, I may not reply to any more science-related
e-mail messages, and I want you to know why so that
you won't think that I am unhappy with you (or any other
friend who sends me e-mail and gets no reply) when I don't reply.
I guess that I am doing what the Cornell archive people want
me to do, go away, but it seems to me that they hold all the
cards and resistance is futile.
>From my point of view, sometimes the bad guys do win,
and I feel too old and tired to fight any more.
Tony 9 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 10:35:13 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd6mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022E6388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:51:47 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H260087XDBZT0@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 08:23:59 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2600HOGDDOFS@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 08:25:00 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2600AAVDDOJC@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 08:25:00 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:20:42 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: internet etc
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: goslinga@shaw.ca
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D7CAE3A.6EDE85D7@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102800b9a249411f58@[65.58.22.250]>
X-UIDL: RW$!!`%l"!JHV!!_eo"!
Thanks for the info, Tony.
Dr. Goslinga and I were discussing this morning
the arXiv option, but it clearly now appears that
the Academic Mafia has now captured THAT
also. We are are well aware - at least in Industry -
that Plagiarism is rampant and a 'way of doing
business' for those in entrenched positions.
The 'Peer' review gimmick allows a 'colleaguial'
clique to 'review' papers for creative input they'
themselves are seemingly incapable of generating
themselves, then RIGGING the System by rejectting
THAT from which they in fact STEAL!
My opinion of Academia is exactly the same.
The DARK AGES Approach with a Rush and Roar!
Gary swimp@shaw.ca
Tony Smith wrote:
> Gary, I have submitted a paper entitled
>
> Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
> Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
>
> to a meeting
> http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
> Quantum Mind 2003
> Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain
> March 15-19, 2003, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona.
>
> So that people could read my paper,
> I not only put it on my web site at
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf (pdf file)
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuantumMind2003.html (html format)
>
> but I also attempted to put it on the e-print archive
> for general physics (gen-ph).
>
> On 8 August 2002, my attempt to put it up was rejected.
>
> As a matter of note, the e-print archive web site at
> http://arXiv.org/new/
> states:
> "... 13 Dec 2001
> arXiv.org main site hardware operations transferred
> to the Cornell University Library site
> cul.arXiv.org = xxx.arXiv.cornell.edu
> ...
> 4 Sep 2001
> Administrative oversight for arXiv operations transferred
> to the Cornell University Library (CUL),
> and configuration of the cul.arXiv.org = xxx.arXiv.cornell.edu
> mirror site proceeds. ...",
>
> so that Cornell, rather than Los Alamos, is now running the
> e-print archives.
>
> Since I wanted my paper put up, I corresponded with the Cornell
> archives asking to be registered as an author and that the
> paper be put on the gen-ph archive.
>
> In that correspondence, I pointed out that I had put up
> a number of papers (over a dozen) since 1993.
>
> Last night (Sunday 8 September 2002) I received a rejection
> from register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
> that said:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> "... Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation. ...
Okay. NO University Position,
so "Go Straight to Hell!" - it is
consistent with myn Theoiy!
Thew wholle Idea of Science is
TESTING NOT 'Colleagiality' !
> This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov, so the history is not strictly relevant.
> Moreover
> the nature of your former use of institional e-mail accounts is unclear.
> ...
> There is no evidence that any of these [papers that I had put up
> since 1993] has been considered peer-reviewable by a conventional journal
> ...
> The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
> be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
> That is what sponsorship
SPONSORSHIP! MAFIA! If you don't belong
to the Club or have a friend in it ...
"Go Straight to Hell!"
> by someone with expertise in the subject matter
> means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
> your activities.
> Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
> Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom
> of the queue, and take that much longer to receive response. ...".
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I did reply as they requested (evidently they did not like the
> fact that I had sent messages to the Cornell University Library
> people, who are supposed to be in charge of the archives),
> and
> I asked whether
> "... an e-mail message to you from a member of the organizing
> committee [of the Arizona meeting] be sufficient
> "sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject"
> for my paper [I gave it a number] TS-QM03-1 to be put on
> the gen-ph e-print archive? ...".
Obviously, they do NOT want you
to have the chance of gathering 'ebidence'
as to their perfidity!
> I sent that message last night, and I have not yet received
> a reply.
>
> No matter what that reply might be,
> this situation, especially their implication that none of
> my work since 1993 is worthy of publication,
> and
> the impression that I have that I am being held to
> a different standard from most other submitters,
> makes me unhappy,
> so much so that I am not going to participate in any
> more internet science stuff, other than to leave my
> web site on the web as it is as of now.
>
> Therefore, I may not reply to any more science-related
> e-mail messages, and I want you to know why so that
> you won't think that I am unhappy with you (or any other
> friend who sends me e-mail and gets no reply) when I don't reply.
>
> I guess that I am doing what the Cornell archive people want
> me to do, go away, but it seems to me that they hold all the
> cards and resistance is futile.
They want you to go away and die,
basically, Tony - DON'T GIVE IN!
Don't let the Mafia get to you!
Don't let them win!
> >From my point of view, sometimes the bad guys do win,
> and I feel too old and tired to fight any more.
You better believe that they 'Win';
that what the 'Winner/Loser' terminology
so permeating our Whole Society means!
Chin Up! There are Intelligent People
'Out There' who AREN'T FAKES, Cheats
or Thieves!
> Tony 9 Sep 2002
Gary 2002 Sep 09
--
Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
click links for poems/last for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 17:23:57 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EABB388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:59:14 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca
(pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2700IF9JPVWP@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 23:39:31 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2700EH0JPVYE@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 23:39:31 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H27000RIJPVN6@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
09 Sep 2002 23:39:31 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:35:12 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: internet etc
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D7D8490.94C31916@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102800b9a249411f58@[65.58.22.250]>
X-UIDL: 0^'#!+;o"!<W:!!hlk!!
Tony Smith wrote:
> Gary, I have submitted a paper entitled
>
> Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
> Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
>
> to a meeting
> http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
> Quantum Mind 2003
> Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain
> March 15-19, 2003, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona.
>
> So that people could read my paper,
> I not only put it on my web site at
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf (pdf file)
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuantumMind2003.html (html format)
>
> but I also attempted to put it on the e-print archive
> for general physics (gen-ph).
>
> On 8 August 2002, my attempt to put it up was rejected.
> ... No matter what that reply might be,
> this situation, especially their implication that none of
> my work since 1993 is worthy of publication,
> and
> the impression that I have that I am being held to
> a different standard from most other submitters,
> makes me unhappy,
I think you have discovered the great
underwater extent of the Intellectual Mafia.
> so much so that I am not going to participate in any
> more internet science stuff, other than to leave my
> web site on the web as it is as of now.
Pitty! That you will punish yourself and others who
are or would be interested in your work because of
the actions of some asswholes at Cornell ...
> Therefore, I may not reply to any more science-related
> e-mail messages, and I want you to know why so that
> you won't think that I am unhappy with you (or any other
> friend who sends me e-mail and gets no reply) when I don't reply.
'MAY Not" or "WILL NOT" ?!
> I guess that I am doing what the Cornell archive people want
> me to do, go away, but it seems to me that they hold all the
> cards and resistance is futile.
They want you to grow old and die.
They are Institutional Apparatchiks.
The Soviet Union was just State Capitalism.
They Are Institutional STALINISTS.
By Killing your Ideas they are Killing You.
UNFETTERED Governmental and Institution Power,
Unrestricted abuse of the Creative by the Uncreative,
It is the Name of the Alpha Primate Game these days.
> >From my point of view, sometimes the bad guys do win,
> and I feel too old and tired to fight any more.
If you want to fight, I am on your side!
My correspondent Bill - I cc'd my letter to him to you,
last night - is a JPL/Cal Tech Astronomer. Although
he has 75 or so Observational Papers, he seems a
good person, not the asswholes, we have been
discussing, of Cornell arXiv
> Tony 9 Sep 2002
Gary 2002 Sep 9
--
Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
click links for poems/last for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 17:24:15 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd2mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5982388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:33:46 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd6mr4so.prod.shaw.ca
(pd6mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.219]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2800C29R1JQK@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
10 Sep 2002 15:15:19 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml1so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.145]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H28008Q1QZY4H@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
10 Sep 2002 15:14:22 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2800DT0R1JK1@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
10 Sep 2002 15:15:19 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:11:00 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Are you okay?
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D7E5FE4.7C72D431@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
X-UIDL: @[I"!2+n"!bXU"!RS@"!
Tony,
are you okay?
Well, I hope you are as as best as can be expected
after your discovery that your Non-Univeristy/
Non-Governmenal/Non-Industrial Non-PhD status
renders you deemable 'Incomptent' and 'Un-Peer-
-Reviewable' by Institutional Idiots ...
It is the way of Life.
The BAD GUYS try to screw
the Good Guys.
But not everyone is against you.
Not every idiot is against you.
I am an Iowan Idiot, and I am for you.
CHeer Up!
Gary swimp@shaw.ca
From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 18:15:49 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692FD388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:32:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.77.167] (dialup-63.210.77.167.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.77.167])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 5E31510E340; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:29:24 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a40eb19efc@[65.58.22.87]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:15:39 -0400
To: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: e-print archive authorship
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: &SL!!"QR!!`bo!!U@c!!
As you recommeded to me in e-mail messages back around 8 August 2002,
I have been in discussion with arXiv.org to try to get them to
register me as an author and to put up my paper that I have contributed
to Quantum Mind 2003. As I indicated in an earlier message to you,
I have put a pdf version of the paper on the web at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
After about a month or so, I have received a message from
register-query@arXiv.org
that rejected my attempt to be registered as an author and
to put up that paper on the gen-ph e-print archive.
The rejection message said, in part:
"... The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
That is what sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject matter
means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
your activities. ...".
Therefore,
it seems to me that to be registered as an author under the
rules of arXiv.org as it is now being administered
by Cornell, which rules seem to be different from the rules
when xxx.lanl.gov at Los Alamos was administering the archive,
the change having taken place within the past year,
I must find a respected physicist at a respected university
who will review my body of work (I have somewhat over a dozen
papers that were put on the archive under Los Alamos administration)
and
then certify to the Cornell administrators at register-query@arXiv.org
that they will sponsor my activities, including being an author
on the archive.
I am uncertain as to how I should proceed.
Today I discussed the possibility of sponsorship with
my former teacher, David Finkelstein, but, although he
said that he would think about it, it was clear to me
that he was uncomfortable with sponsoring me, in part
because, as he said, he does not fully understand my work.
A possible approach that came to my mind is that,
since the paper in question is a quantum consciousness paper,
and since it is based on the work of you and Roger Penrose,
and since you are technically a M.D. instead of a physicist,
that Roger Penrose might be a logical person to evaluate my work.
On the one hand, I recognize that Roger Penrose has his own
work to do and is very likely too busy to study my work,
but
on the other hand, he is at Oxford where there are many highly
intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
so
I thought that perhaps he could ask a student or post-doc to
look at my body of work and make an evaluation that he could
use in making a determination of my fitness to be an author
on the e-print archive.
Instead of reviewing all my papers (over a dozen),
I suggest that the most recent one on particle physics might
give a reviewing student or post-doc enough information to evaluate
my work. That paper is at
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
and
I think that it and my consciousness paper taken together
constitute a fairly representative sample of my work.
If you think that might be a good idea, please feel free to
forward this message to Roger Penrose along with any comments
that you might have.
Also, if Roger Penrose were to agree to that proposal,
please let him know that I would be willing to go to
Oxford at my expense at some mutually agreeable date
to confer with any student or post-doc who might find
discussion with me helpful in making such an evaluation.
Whether or not you agree with the above idea,
I thank you very much for your work and ideas,
and I look forward to seeing you in March 2003.
Thank you.
Tony Smith 10 September 2002
From ???@??? Wed Sep 11 05:57:59 2002
Return-Path: <hameroff@email.arizona.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1EF388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:58:10 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [195.101.217.200] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:39:46 -0700
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:39:46 -0700
Message-ID: <3D7DE44000002CF3@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b9a40eb19efc@[65.58.22.87]>
From: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
Subject: RE: e-print archive authorship
To: "Tony Smith" <tsmith@innerx.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: UofA Webmail
X-Originating-IP: 195.101.217.200
X-UIDL: lGM"!=IC"!>eQ!!E^e!!
Dear Tony
Roger is so busy that I hesitate to contact him about anything, including
our collaboration. I can almost assure you that he would not be interested,
with no aspersions on your work.
There must be someone you know who would do it.
Good luck
Stuart
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:15:39 -0400
>To: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
>From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
>Subject: e-print archive authorship
>Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
>
>
>As you recommeded to me in e-mail messages back around 8 August 2002,
>I have been in discussion with arXiv.org to try to get them to
>register me as an author and to put up my paper that I have contributed
>to Quantum Mind 2003. As I indicated in an earlier message to you,
>I have put a pdf version of the paper on the web at
>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
>
>After about a month or so, I have received a message from
>register-query@arXiv.org
>that rejected my attempt to be registered as an author and
>to put up that paper on the gen-ph e-print archive.
>
>The rejection message said, in part:
>"... The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
>be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
>That is what sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject matter
>means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
>your activities. ...".
>Therefore,
>it seems to me that to be registered as an author under the
>rules of arXiv.org as it is now being administered
>by Cornell, which rules seem to be different from the rules
>when xxx.lanl.gov at Los Alamos was administering the archive,
>the change having taken place within the past year,
>I must find a respected physicist at a respected university
>who will review my body of work (I have somewhat over a dozen
>papers that were put on the archive under Los Alamos administration)
>and
>then certify to the Cornell administrators at register-query@arXiv.org
>that they will sponsor my activities, including being an author
>on the archive.
>
>I am uncertain as to how I should proceed.
>Today I discussed the possibility of sponsorship with
>my former teacher, David Finkelstein, but, although he
>said that he would think about it, it was clear to me
>that he was uncomfortable with sponsoring me, in part
>because, as he said, he does not fully understand my work.
>
>A possible approach that came to my mind is that,
>since the paper in question is a quantum consciousness paper,
>and since it is based on the work of you and Roger Penrose,
>and since you are technically a M.D. instead of a physicist,
>that Roger Penrose might be a logical person to evaluate my work.
>
>On the one hand, I recognize that Roger Penrose has his own
>work to do and is very likely too busy to study my work,
>but
>on the other hand, he is at Oxford where there are many highly
>intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
>so
>I thought that perhaps he could ask a student or post-doc to
>look at my body of work and make an evaluation that he could
>use in making a determination of my fitness to be an author
>on the e-print archive.
>
>Instead of reviewing all my papers (over a dozen),
>I suggest that the most recent one on particle physics might
>give a reviewing student or post-doc enough information to evaluate
>my work. That paper is at
>http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
>and
>I think that it and my consciousness paper taken together
>constitute a fairly representative sample of my work.
>
>If you think that might be a good idea, please feel free to
>forward this message to Roger Penrose along with any comments
>that you might have.
>
>Also, if Roger Penrose were to agree to that proposal,
>please let him know that I would be willing to go to
>Oxford at my expense at some mutually agreeable date
>to confer with any student or post-doc who might find
>discussion with me helpful in making such an evaluation.
>
>Whether or not you agree with the above idea,
>I thank you very much for your work and ideas,
>and I look forward to seeing you in March 2003.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Tony Smith 10 September 2002
>
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 03:25:08 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9613B388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:30:07 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca
(pd5mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.232]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2E0004ERKFUX@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Fri,
13 Sep 2002 21:12:15 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2E002JNRKFPI@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Fri,
13 Sep 2002 21:12:15 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2E00AN0RKF2Y@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Fri,
13 Sep 2002 21:12:15 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:07:52 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: AM I GUILTY?!
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D82A808.C2AF03F4@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <3D7E5FE4.7C72D431@shaw.ca>
X-UIDL: 5~M!!^c;!!MMi!!am)!!
Tony,
altho' you said I should not feel that you are
reactring to something I did, I know that I did
not reject your paper, and therefore should not be
retaliated against, unless I HAVE done something
to harm you feelings.
Gary
"Gary G. Ford" wrote:
> Tony,
>
> are you okay?
>
> Well, I hope you are as as best as can be expected
> after your discovery that your Non-Univeristy/
> Non-Governmenal/Non-Industrial Non-PhD status
> renders you deemable 'Incomptent' and 'Un-Peer-
> -Reviewable' by Institutional Idiots ...
>
> It is the way of Life.
> The BAD GUYS try to screw
> the Good Guys.
>
> But not everyone is against you.
>
> Not every idiot is against you.
>
> I am an Iowan Idiot, and I am for you.
>
> CHeer Up!
>
> Gary swimp@shaw.ca
--
Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
click links for poems/last for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
From ???@??? Fri Sep 13 23:10:57 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3357388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:26:33 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.244.112.107] (dialup-209.244.112.107.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.244.112.107])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id A74D610E2BA; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:23:20 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a8577cfdda@[63.210.78.87]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:10:02 -0400
To: jonathan.leaf@verizon.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: follow-up etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: 09>!!j!7"!UCL"!:O)#!
My apologies for not replying, but I am sort of withdrawing
from doing internet physics work. It does not have anything
to do with what you are doing, or any conflict, or anything
like that. I put up a statement on the cover page of my web
site that says:
"... Due at least in part to some actions taken by Cornell in 2002
after it took over administration of the e-print archive,
I do not expect to do any further web or e-mail work on the material
on my web site. However, I expect to leave my web site at innerx.net
on the web as it is as of now, 11 September 2002. ...".
Some details about that situation are on my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
In light of it, physics is not so much fun for me now,
and I am trying to leave my work as it is,
and go on to other things that might be more pleasant for me.
I hope that you continue with your work, and that you enjoy it,
and that it will be well received.
Thanks for your interest.
Tony 13 September 2002
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 04:25:19 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF18D388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:41:36 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.180.201] (dialup-209.246.180.201.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.180.201])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 6569E10E27D; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a89501838f@[209.244.112.107]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 04:24:47 -0400
To: swimp@shaw.ca
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: you are not guilty
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: GEl!!Ibb!!U46"!Z0a!!
Gary, you have not hurt my feelings at all, but it is actually
somewhat painful to me to discuss my situation.
There are a few people (you included) whom I respect so much
that I will send them a message like this one, referring to
a statement on the cover page of my web site that says:
"... Due at least in part to some actions taken by Cornell in 2002
after it took over administration of the e-print archive,
I do not expect to do any further web or e-mail work on the material
on my web site. However, I expect to leave my web site at innerx.net
on the web as it is as of now, 11 September 2002. ...",
and noting that some details about that situation are on my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
In particular, that web address contains some information about
some things that happened on last Tuesday and Wednesday, after
I had last sent you an e-mail on Monday, that made me feel even worse
than I felt when I sent you that e-mail.
Here is even more detail what happened Tuesday and Wednesday:
After discussing the situation with my psychiatrist (who has been
very helpful to me of late), I decided that it, even though I didn't
like my rejection by Cornell, I should realize that Cornell was
in fact in charge of the archives and I should try to get sponsored
in line with their policy.
Therefore I went to Georgia Tech to see David Finkelstein, who was
my adviser when I was a superannuated grad student there and whose
seminars I have attended for the last 20 years or so, and who I have
considered to be a friend.
First, I went to see Ron Fox, chairman of the physics department
(also somebody I have known for a couple of decades) and I told
him about my problem with Cornell and asked him if the Georgia Tech
physics department would be OK with me requesting that David sponsor
me (currently unaffiliated with Georgia Tech) for archive authorship.
Ron very quickly told me that would not be a problem, and that he
would be happy for me to ask David for sponsorship.
Then I went upstairs to David's office and told David about the
Cornell situation. David seemed very much opposed to what Cornell
did to me. However, David did NOT tell me that he would sponsor
me as an author. First he suggested that I get one of his recent
Ph.D. graduates, Andrei Galiautdinov, to sponsor me, but I pointed out
that, although Andrei now had a job teaching physics at a small
college (Brenau), sponsorship by Andrei would not be what I think
that Cornell wants, which I think is a professor at a university
with a physics department that is recognized as doing research
and granting graduate degrees.
When I said that I would prefer that David sponsor me,
David did NOT say that he would, but only that he would
think about it.
Then I made an alternative suggestion, that since my paper
that is the source of the Cornell matter is a quantum
consciousness paper based on the microtubule model of Hameroff
and Penrose, and since David knows Penrose,
that perhaps David could put me in touch with Penrose (as by
a letter of introduction) and, since Penrose is at Oxford where
there are many highly intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
maybe Penrose could ask a student or post-doc to look at my body of
work and make an evaluation that he could use in making a determination
of my fitness to be an authoron the e-print archive.
I even said that I would be willing to go to Oxford at my expense
to discuss my work, if that would be helpful.
However, David also did NOT say that he would do that,
but only that he would think about it.
David offered as a reason for his lack of enthusiasm for being
my sponsor the fact that he does not understand parts of my
physics model.
That is true, but as I told David, I do not interpret sponsorship
as meaning total understanding and agreement, and I mentioned
that there are areas where David and I disagree (such as I like
Many-Worlds and he does not), and I also said that I doubt whether
there are any two physicists on earth who agree on every detail
of everything.
Overall, it was clear to me that David was very uncomfortable
with the idea of being my sponsor, and even if David were to
eventually say after thought that he would sponsor me, his initial
reluctance is something that makes me not to want for him to sponsor me.
Therefore, my next step was to send an e-mail message to
Stuart Hameroff (in fact it was Hameroff who organized the
conference to which I had submitted the paper in question,
and who, after I told him about my initial rejection by Cornell
in August, encouraged me not to give up but to pursue the matter
with Cornell).
My message to Hameroff (who is a medical doctor not a physicist,
so I did not feel that he would be the kind of sponsor that Cornell
wanted) asked him for a similar introduction to Penrose.
As you can see on my web page, he also turned me down,
saying "... There must be someone you know who would do it.
Good luck ...".
In fact, I don't think that there is anyone else who is what
Cornell wants, so that Hameroff's "Good luck" rings hollow in my ears.
---------------------------
In light of all that, it is too painful for me to continue
with active web-science work (this message is very painful for
me to write, but you are a good friend and worth the effort).
For most people, I expect that they will just have to read my web
pages to find that out, because sending messages such as this one
makes me revisit in my mind the events that I find quite painful.
Leaving active participation in web-science is one way I can stay away
from the pain.
What I am doing is NOT directed at you or any other of my internet
friends. It is my way of trying to protect myself from the pain of
contact with the situation.
Tony 14 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 12:15:09 2002
Return-Path: <jonathan.leaf@verizon.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from out019.verizon.net (out019pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.98])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2316D388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:26:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [4.60.10.90] by out019.verizon.net
(InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP
id <20020914160850.CSRL9549.out019.verizon.net@[4.60.10.90]>
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:08:50 -0500
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:09:19 +0000
Subject: Re: follow-up etc
From: Jonathan Leaf <jonathan.leaf@verizon.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Message-ID: <B9A8AD3F.204F%jonathan.leaf@verizon.net>
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b9a8577cfdda@[63.210.78.87]>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
X-UIDL: P5*!!;7Z"!0!?!!l$&#!
oh well, what a disappointment, tony.
you're one of the true pioneers out there
synthesizing metaphor with math. i will
feel the loss...
best
jonathnan
on 9/14/02 3:10 AM, Tony Smith at tsmith@innerx.net wrote:
> My apologies for not replying, but I am sort of withdrawing
> from doing internet physics work. It does not have anything
> to do with what you are doing, or any conflict, or anything
> like that. I put up a statement on the cover page of my web
> site that says:
> "... Due at least in part to some actions taken by Cornell in 2002
> after it took over administration of the e-print archive,
> I do not expect to do any further web or e-mail work on the material
> on my web site. However, I expect to leave my web site at innerx.net
> on the web as it is as of now, 11 September 2002. ...".
>
> Some details about that situation are on my web site at
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
>
> In light of it, physics is not so much fun for me now,
> and I am trying to leave my work as it is,
> and go on to other things that might be more pleasant for me.
>
> I hope that you continue with your work, and that you enjoy it,
> and that it will be well received.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Tony 13 September 2002
>
>
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 12:15:08 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849AB388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:19:15 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca
(pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F00KDSDACV1@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 05:01:24 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F00M19DADNT@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 05:01:25 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F00219DACJQ@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 05:01:25 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 04:57:01 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: you are not guilty
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D8315FD.DFC9554A@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102800b9a89501838f@[209.244.112.107]>
X-UIDL: EI^!!lUc!!DDS!!;oe!!
Tony Smith wrote:
> Gary, you have not hurt my feelings at all, but it is actually
> somewhat painful to me to discuss my situation.
> There are a few people (you included) whom I respect so much
> that I will send them a message like this one, ...
Thank you Tony for including me among the few.
I guess I just didn't understand how this situation
hit you.
I'm battlehardened against this kind of snubbery from
officialdom, as my M.Sc. Thesis Supervisor also
screwed me with faintly praise (even tho' I had
been amongst the people championing his case!),
and largely 'borrowed' a discovery of my mind to
repair the great hole in the Navier-Stokes Uniqueness
Theory (Incompressible case) his revelation of the
Non Commutativity of Space Completion and the
Constraint of Solenoidicity, of a FALSE 'lemma'
which a World Great in the Field had uttered a
almost two decades before, had made!
My department head even went out of his way
to tell me publicly how stupid and incompetent
he thought I was (His son by the way he had felt
to be a child genius, who would he felt become
a great light in theoretical physics - but the Net
yields no evidence of the Great Name! - but I must
not gloat at that misfortune, for it was Father not
the Son who was Guilty! - The Father possibly
irritated that a Psychiatrist from one of the most
prestigious psycho-medical Institutes in Canada,
who had seen me when I wa sat Stanford, had
written a letter in which he had urged my re-entry
to the UBC Math Department as a Grad Student,
a letter in which he labeled me as 'a genius' - I
accidentally saw my file a few years later! They did
readmit me but without normal level of financial
'support' which is exactly why I had to work a full
load as a Physics Dept Lab TA!), so I can appreciate
somewhat where you are coming from.
It is only a two months ago that I accidentally discovered
strong surface theory applications of the item which my
supervisor had 'borrowed' from me. Since he DID make
a great discovery and found the way to patch it up, it
would have been a small thing for him to have given
me fuller credit for what in fact I had done by myself!
So he had not backed me as he should have.
He also kept putting off a paer he had promised
we would have jointly offered, a promise from
the time he had 'borrowed' from me ...
In the intervening years (since 1976), I've been
rejected, not allowed a PhD, ridiculed, and
stunted, not nurtured, in a the growth and in the
opportunities of my natural curiosity and creative
scientific intuition!
I am sorry that you have now been hit with the
obvious implication that - for whatever reason -
your supervisor at Georgia Tech probably did
not try very hard to keep you around.
I will now check your site.
Sorry for the evil which has been worked
against you obviously years in the past.
Have you considered that Finkelstein may have
been ASKED his opinion of you already by
Cornell?!
I would consider it. Forgive him.
And move on to better and creative
Thoughts!
Sincerely,
Gary 2002 Sep 14
PS: The way you have been maltreated
agrees very well with my theory about the
actual (rather the claimed) nature of our
currently buoyant society! I fear the
additional difficulties which it may
stumble into Mid-October.
The USA and its halo of related Countries
(such as Canada) is GREAT in many ways,
but is fully capable of arousing hatred in
place to place from time to time around
the world, because all too often 'experts'
have been put in charge of its Policies!
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 12:54:41 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD67F388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:10:52 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.177.220] (dialup-209.246.177.220.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.177.220])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 005A410E2BB; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:07:39 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9a911f0bcf8@[209.246.180.201]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:54:26 -0400
To: swimp@shaw.ca
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: cDl!!^E3!!UnX!!-J3"!
Gary, you ask
"... Have you considered that Finkelstein may have
been ASKED his opinion of you already by Cornell?! ...".
Not until you mention it, but now that you mention it,
it seems to me that it might be a possibility,
because when I talked to Ron Fox (department chair) Ron already
had heard of my difficulties with Cornell. I assumed that he
had seen my web site, which had some material about it,
but maybe Cornell had contacted Georgia Tech (since my
earliest papers were put up from a Georgia Tech e-mail address).
Maybe David has not been very straight with me for all these
past 20 years or so, and maybe I have been too stupid to see it.
There are some earlier instances that might support that:
----------------------------------------------------------------
When I first did my calculation of a T-quark mass, along
with all the other particle masses and force strengths,
back around 1984 or so, I had been informally atttending
David's seminars for about 3 years. This was at a time amost
a decade before Fermilab announced their T-quark results,
and when CERN had announced that they had found the T-quark
at about 45 GeV (I knew that CERN was wrong, and said so at
meetings. CERN was in fact wrong and had to embarrassingly
"undiscover" the T-quark).
When I first told David about my results I was as happy as
a little kid with a shiny new toy. However, David said that
he did not understand what I was doing, and that it sounded
just like "so much free association" to him. (That was understandable,
because, although he knew Clifford algebras (I am grateful for his
teaching me about them) he did not understand Lie algebras and Weyl groups
very well, and my calculations depended on Lie algebras, Weyl groups, etc.)
David also said that my numbers were not predictions, because
the masses and force strengths were already known. I said that
was not true, because the T-quark mass was definitely a prediction.
David did not seem to take that in, but to his credit he did
let me publish my calculations in the International Journal
of Theoretical Physics, of which he is the primary editor.
David also did get referee reports about my early papers,
and one day while working in David's office (something that
I would commonly do, as in those early days I did some refereeing
for his journal, and all the records and stuff were in his office),
I inadvertently saw a referee report on an early paper of mine.
As I recall, it said in part something like "... I [the referee] don't
understand all the details of what he [me] is doing, but if even
half of what he claims is true, it is one of the most important
papers ever written ...".
David never told me that there were people who thought that
my work might be important.
In fact, another grad student of David one time told me that
he had overheard Ron Fox (now department chair) asking David
(back in the early days of the 1980s) about my model,
and that David said that my numerical results were mere coincidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------
I guess I have been blind, gullible, and stupid for a long time,
and that is painful for me to have to admit, but now the present
circumstances have forced me to face this stuff directly.
Now that I think about it, it is not unlikely that Cornell
had contacted Georgia Tech, and that Ron Fox and David were
playing good cop - bad cop, with Ron telling me that it would
be fine with Georgia Tech for David to sponsor me,
and then letting David to try to leave me dangling in
the wind forever by "thinking about it" until hell freezes over.
BTW - Thanks for bringing up that issue so that I have to face it.
I have been too dumb to see it by myself, and I appreciate your
asking a question that forces me to face truth.
Even if it is unpleasant, truth is in some sense my best friend
and I should always face it.
Tony 14 September 2002
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 15:16:01 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F46388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:19:57 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F007CQZGTA8@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 13:00:29 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F002GQZGT3Z@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 13:00:29 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h24-87-78-153.cg.shawcable.net [24.87.78.153])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2F00KJ1ZGT19@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat,
14 Sep 2002 13:00:29 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:56:05 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Cornell etc
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D838645.8CA63A6A@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain
Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102800b9a911f0bcf8@[209.246.180.201]>
X-UIDL: 9D~#!M^'!!$T9!!(]-#!
Tony Smith wrote:
> Gary, you ask
> "... Have you considered that Finkelstein may have
> been ASKED his opinion of you already by Cornell?! ...".
>
> Not until you mention it, but now that you mention it,
> it seems to me that it might be a possibility, ...
Tony.. I am glad that you can now face the possibility.
It might be a mistaken conclusion, but it is still a possibility.
With respect to my own case, I sort of realized early on,
when Heywood asked me who had discovered something
first (I had) and if my any chance he had suggested the
result (His suggestion was so vague that no work was
done or required by him - he simply assigned me to
solve a difficult apparently unsolved problem - I did,
finding the solution, after hard work, all by myself! Of
course he deserves credit for suggesting the problem!).
Later, he told me privately that my M.Sc. results were
as good as his Ph.D. students' or better, but that he was
'too exhausted' and his departmental backers were 'too
tired' to help me after all the battle that had been done
on HIS CASE (he won and got a promotion and tenure)
to have any energy left over to help me.
Then he had me solve a situation for the flow between
two concentric spheres, which I did, with some ingenuity,
telling me that he and I would 'write a paper together
next summer' on my solenoidal correspondence result,
other generalizations I had developed, and include my
work on the nested sphere case with a Uniqueness
result he had made for it that awaited my result,
but that he was made 'too busy and hassles' by his
enemies in the department, but he would show his
good faith by giving me 290/300 points for my M.Sc.
Thesis (technically allowed, at the discretion of
the Supervisor, but done only once before, for a
special 'child prodigy' genius they had been favoring
some years back). He went through the formalities,
but then the Head of the Department told me I was
too stupid for a 300 point thesis and that he was
changing my mark to 145/150, and that I could
have that even though he doubted I deserved it,
and otherwise wouldn't get my M.Sc.
So I cut my losses, took the M.Sc., and that flunked
and Mark de Fazio the other graduate student of
Heywood's, out of the Ph.D. preliminary exam (I
had seen the previous tests, and the algebra part
was unusually difficult that time - Only Mark and
I took it; another person took the Analysis Exam,
but somehow was exempted from the Algebra,
against written Departmental regulations saying
that BOTH exams had to be passed in the same
week - the Other guy had been passed on Analysis
but Failed on Algebra six months earlier!).
I complained to Heywood that the Regulations
were violated for Lex, but Heywood replied very
strangely, saying that I shouldn't want the regulations
obeyed tighter (for Lex) because I should be
asking for the regulations to be slackened
(for me)!
He then got me a 10-month Sessional Mathematics
Instructorship at Malaspina College, Nanaimo, BC and
I returned after that as a Graduate Student in Mechanical
Engineering (I was top of the Mech Engrg Graduate
Core Fluid Mechanics course the year before the
Sessional Instructorship, when Heywood was
screwing me around ...).
Heywood never approached me about writing the
paper after I was 'flunked out' of the the preliminary
exam, and when I asked about it from Nanaimo,
he rebuffed me.
Tony, you have to understand: Professors form an
elite like a Masonic Lodge or a Modern Nobility.
Graduate Students are just Squires, until they are
'knighted' with a PhD, and anyone can get blackballed,
and his 'supervisor' may be his worst enemy by backing
'The System' instead of his 'Protégé"!
Preliminary Exams can be cheated very easily - usually
there is a period of a year or two to take them in, with
two or three occasions a year they are offered, and
'favored' students can either be warned TO AVOID
a particular one (Covert Rigging), or be given HINTS
about the problems (OVERT CHEATING).
Exceptionally Quick/Brilliant/Lucky unfavored students
may pass anyhow, and have to be accepted for the
official novitiate - altho' there are still a variety of ways
of screwing them down the line if deemed necessary
by 'The System' and in those few cases, the System
BOOSTERS will brag about how they Exams 'Really
Work' ... "Yes, we had DOUBTS about Mr. XYZ,
but the Exams allowed him to 'Prove Himself'!"
Meanwhile, the unfavored students may have an
exam set written in consultation of their recorded
marks in various subjects, and personally revealed
assessments of their strengths and weaknesses
by former teachers or their supervisor, so as to
maximize the prospects of 'screwing them'.
I am pretty sure that we both have had
a very similar thing happen to us.
By the way, there is one thing which
many Professors Fear the MOST:
Being Eclipsed by One of their Students!
Gary 2002 Sep 14
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 13:33:04 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5496D388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:47:42 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.179.146] (dialup-209.246.179.146.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.179.146])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 1A8A610E27D; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:44:40 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9afb5d558ce@[209.246.179.146]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:31:45 -0400
To: swimp@shaw.ca
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Why the MacArthur Foundation
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: niE"!gf0"!*iW"!L>]"!
You ask "... Why the MacArthur Foundation ..." does what it does.
The answer is a sad commentary on bureaucracy.
The MacArthurs themselves had a good idea -
to fund people who would otherwise starve.
Their idea was NOT to give a "mere" half-million,
but to pick some high-risk possibly productive people
who did not fit in the real world
and FUND THEM FOR LIFE WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
The MacArthurs knew that some of the grantees might take the money
and run and do nothing, but also that some others would be
motivated by visions and ideas and would be enabled to
pursue their visions instead of flipping burgers or cleaning floors.
However, when the TRUSTEES (not the MacArthurs themselves) began the
task of administering the trust for the grants,
the trustees did not know how to pick grantees,
so the trustees did the safe thing - they created
a board of establishment geniuses (headed by Murray Gell-Mann, IIRC)
to do the selection.
Then the board of establishment geniuses said (roughly)
"Wait a minute, if we give lifetime income grants to
outsiders, maybe we might be eclipsed by some of them -
we should interpret the trust like this:
1 - the grants should not be lifetime support, or even
enough for the grantees to be truly independent, so we
will limit them to 5 years, $100,000.00 a year or so,
which is roughly an OK living wage for 5 years,
or maybe enough to pay off a big house mortagage and/or maybe
give kids college, but NOT enough to be really independent;
and
2 - the grants should only go to proven people who we know,
and therefore should be rewards to our own students who we like,
and that way there won't be any possibility of an outsider
outshining us."
So, that is what the bureaucracy of genius trustees have done,
and it is almost totally opposite of the true intention of
the MacArthurs.
It shows the truth of something that I was told while I was
in college at Princeton: If you want to be really influential,
you should not aspire to create and own a great fortune,
you should aspire to become a trustee who administers the
great fortunes of others.
(Example - Henry Ford's eccentric loose-cannon personality
was controlled by creating laws that effectively required
him to put his assets into the Ford Foundation, which was
(and is) controlled by non-eccentric bureaucratic trustees.)
Tony 19 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 16:35:34 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198B2388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:53:02 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2P00H4668MI7@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
19 Sep 2002 12:05:11 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml4so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.148]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2P00DFP68NHP@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
19 Sep 2002 12:05:11 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from shaw.ca (h68-147-113-156.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.113.156])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H2P00BIK68MG0@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
19 Sep 2002 12:05:10 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:00:41 -0600
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Why the MacArthur Foundation
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3D8A10C9.11CAC2EE@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102800b9afb5d558ce@[209.246.179.146]>
X-UIDL: g(^!!^V`"!Ygd"!n23"!
Tony Smith wrote:
> ....It shows the truth of something that I was told while I was
> in college at Princeton: If you want to be really influential,
> you should not aspire to create and own a great fortune,
> you should aspire to become a trustee who administers the
> great fortunes of others.
> (Example - Henry Ford's eccentric loose-cannon personality
> was controlled by creating laws that effectively required
> him to put his assets into the Ford Foundation, which was
> (and is) controlled by non-eccentric bureaucratic trustees.)
Yep!
> Tony 19 Sep 2002
Gary 2002 Sep 19
--
Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
click links for poems/last for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
From ???@??? Fri Sep 20 15:27:59 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059A2388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:42:56 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.78.214] (dialup-63.210.78.214.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.78.214])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 6BEB310E2EB; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9b115013739@[65.58.22.92]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:27:15 -0400
To: rashomon@earthlink.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: manufacturing, etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: c(d!!8+S"!M96"!)k+"!
Paris and Venice sound great. It has been a few years since I was
in Paris, and some things I have read about since then, about
thugs from the suburbs coming into the city and being troublesome,
have disturbed me. I got the impression from the articles that
Paris was like an inside-out version of a big USA city,
with the dangerous ghettos being the ring around Paris
instead of in its center, but with gangs beginning to come
into the city center recently. Is that true, or am I just
inaccurately understanding inaccurate articles?
As to Venice, it is sort of sad that it is going under water.
How many years before the streets become substantially unusable?
Can it be fixed? Could they build dikes as in the Netherlands?
In the USA, New Orleans is close to being similarly flooded,
and is maybe one or two major hurricanes away from being gone.
Sorry about the boat incident. I know that Mark and 4 don't
get along, but that is no excuse for 4 to be so abusive.
It is interesting that 4 became so abusive when all of you
were together (an unusual occurrence) in what could have been
a very happy time in a very nice setting.
It seems to me that 4 wanted to destroy any such happy time
of your father and his kids - maybe a very viciously jealous rage.
Does 4 have any kids of her own? If not, or if they are not as
nice as you and your brother and sister, then it makes sense
to me that 4 did what she did when she did it.
Please note that just because it makes sense to me,
that does not mean that I condone or excuse what she did.
Understanding but not condoning or excusing brings me to
David Finkelstein (recall our recent discussion of him being
passive-aggressive and how he failed to support Ernesto)
and my stuff over the last few weeks.
As you know, since 1993 I have been putting my physics stuff
on the e-print archives. Even after I no longer had any official
connection with Ga Tech or Clark, the Los Alamos people let me
put up papers on the general physics archive from my .net address.
However, recently Ginsparg (who started the archives) got a
job at Cornell and took primary administration of the archives
from xxx.lanl.gov to Cornell.
Ginsparg does not like me or unaffiliated people like me
(There is actually some history there,
but it is too long a digression to put into this message.)
so a few weeks ago Cornell banned me from the archives
unless or until I become sponsored by somebody prominent
enough for them to like.
(The ban so far is only against putting up new papers,
and they have so far not removed my old papers.)
I then went to Ga Tech, and first saw Ron Fox (who is now
chair of the physics department) and asked him if it would
be OK with Ga Tech for me to ask David Finkelstein to sponsor
me to be an author on the e-print archives.
Ron said that would be no problem,
and that he had no objection to my papers being archived.
So I went to see David, and (surprise, surprise) the conversation
went, IIRC, something like:
------------------------------------------------------------------
T - I am having trouble posting on the e-print archives and would
like for you to sponsor me as an author. I have already asked
Ron Fox whether that would be OK with Ga Tech, and he said OK.
D - You should get Andrei (who received his Ph.D. a couple of
months ago and got a teaching job at Brenau College near
Gainesville, GA) to sponsor you.
T - I think that Cornell wants a professor at a university
physics department.
D - Andrei is a professor at Brenau.
T - Georgia Tech has a well-known physics department.
D - I don't think that I understand all the factors.
T - What kind of factors - about the situation with Cornell?
D - No. I don't understand all the details of your physics model.
T - I am not asking you to understand all the details of my model,
or to agree with it. For instance, I don't understand all about
your model, either, and I know that we disgree about some things,
such as for example I like Many-Worlds and you dislike it.
I am only asking that you sponsor me to the extent that I would
be allowed to archive my work, and whether you agree or understand
it in detail is in my opinion irrelevant.
D - I would have to think about that.
T - OK, if you would not feel comfortable sponsoring me,
I have an alternative request.
My paper that I submitted when I got banned is a quantum
consciousness paper, submitted to a University of Arizona
conference set for March 2003, and is substantially based
on the work of Stuart Hameroff (at Arizona) and Roger Penrose.
Since you know Roger Penrose, and others at Oxford close to him,
it seems to me that that Roger Penrose might be a logical person
to evaluate my work. On the one hand, I recognize that Roger Penrose
has his own work to do and is very likely too busy to study my work,
but on the other hand, he is at Oxford where there are many highly
intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
so
I would like a letter of reference from you asking that he ask a
student or post-doc to look at my work and make an evaluation
that he could use in making a determination of my fitness to be an
author on the e-print archive. You can tell him that I would go
there at my expense if they need to talk to me directly.
D - I would have to think about that.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Now I am pretty dense, but even I can see passive-agressive rejection
in David's "I would have to think about that" replies.
As I said before, there are factors in David's life history
that explain such actions. However, as you said, that does
not make such actions right.
Anyhow, something that has been important to me over the past
decade or so is now over, and I am unhappy about that.
As to kayaking, I am tied up with a bunch of real estate stuff
that is supposed to close 8 October 2002, and until then I won't
have much time off. However, if it does close, then it will
get me some money on which to live and wind up most of my
complicated real estate stuff, and give me more time.
It is sad to me that just when I will have more time free of
legal real estate stuff,
I have been kicked out of the physics that I like.
On a happier note, I did (at the insistence of my doctors who
removed my gall bladder) have a colonscope exam to check for
colon cancer (as that is my family history), and they found no polyps,
no cancer, no precancer, only a few small diverticuli that are
sort of an inevitable product of living long enough,
and they said that I don't have to do that again for 5 years.
It is good that your mother and you got to to out to the east end
vineyards that replaced the potato fields. Also it is good that
Claudia is doing OK and that you got to see her during the visit.
Is she still doing interesting paintings?
Your custom tee shirt business idea sounds interesting.
Maybe your friend won't have enough time away from her new baby
to do a lot of work, but I don't see why you can't do it yourself,
although I know nothing about the manufacturing process.
Would it be like those booths that you see in shopping malls
where you take them a picture and they put it on a tee shirt?
What else might be involved?
You are definitely right in not compromising your design ideas,
and one materials-related request that I would have is that
you have some long-sleeved shirts in your line (I need long-
sleeved shirts to avoid sun due to lupus - which has been for
a while and still is in remission, and I want it to stay that way).
Maybe you could have an internet store as well as a physical store?
Tony 20 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Mon Sep 23 15:09:57 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598F4388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:24:26 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.183.55] (dialup-209.246.183.55.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.183.55])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id BD74F10E2C8; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:21:31 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9b50ae56c1b@[63.210.75.202]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:09:41 -0400
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: advice
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: HdV!!EGn"!k)j"!=Q%!!
John, I have been barred from posting any more papers on the
e-print archives, and I am asking for honest advice.
Up front, I am NOT asking that you sponsor me as an author,
I am only asking for any honest opinion that you might have
as to how I should deal with the situation,
and if you don't have any advice, it is OK for you to tell me so.
The situation arose after Ginsparg went to Cornell and took
the administration of the archives to Cornell with him.
When xxx.lanl.gov was running the archives, although they
did not like non-.edu email addresses, they and I reached
an accommodation in September 1999 whereby as xxx.lanl.gov said:
"... No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make. ...".
I had no objection to being restricted to the general physics
gen-ph archive, and my papers were posted that way until
August-September 2002 when Cornell changed that, saying
"... This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov,
so the history is not strictly relevant. ...".
Under the new rules, as I understand them (although I have NOT yet
seen a full statement of the new rules, only statements by Cornell
directed to me with respect to my individual case), my latest
attempted post was rejected, unless or until somebody "sponsors"
me to be registered as an author on the archives.
Since I have worked with David Finkelstein at Georgia Tech
over the last 20 years or so, I asked Ron Fox (head of the
Ga Tech physics department) if it would be OK for me to ask
David to sponsor me as an author. Ron Fox said OK, so I asked
David, but David did NOT agree to sponsor me, even though I
made it clear that I did not interpret "sponsor" to me "understand
and agree with all ideas", but only to mean "ideas are OK to
appear on archives".
David did not even tell me a direct NO, but looked very uncomfortable
and said that he would have to think about it, which is to me in
fact a very clear NO.
Since the rejected paper deals with quantum consciousness (it is a
paper that I submitted to the Quantum Mind conference at U. Arizona
to be held in March 2003), and since it is based on Hameroff-Penrose
ideas about microtubules, and since David knows Penrose,
I then made an alternative suggestion,
that perhaps David could put me in touch with Penrose (as by
a letter of introduction) and, since Penrose is at Oxford where
there are many highly intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
maybe Penrose could ask a student or post-doc to look at my body of
work and make an evaluation that he could use in making a determination
of my fitness to be an author on the e-print archive.
I even said that I would be willing to go to Oxford at my expense
to discuss my work, if that would be helpful.
However, David also did NOT say that he would do that,
but only that he would think about it, which is also an effective NO.
My next step was to send an e-mail message to Stuart Hameroff
(in fact it was Hameroff who organized the conference to which I had
submitted the paper in question, and who, after I told him about my
initial rejection by Cornell in August, encouraged me not to give up
but to pursue the matter with Cornell).
My message to Hameroff (who is a medical doctor not a physicist,
so I did not feel that he would be the kind of sponsor that Cornell
wanted) asked him for a similar introduction to Penrose.
Hameroff also turned me down,saying
"... There must be someone you know who would do it.
Good luck ...".
In fact, I don't know of ".. someone ... who would do it. ...",
and
my question asking your advice is:
Is there any forum anywhere to which I could submit a sample of
my work (for example, my latest paper that was archived, which is at
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
and the paper in question which is on my web site as
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
the former is (IMO) a pretty much plain vanilla physics paper
and the latter, on quantum consciousness, is more speculative).
I would be willing to go to any reasonable place for any
reasonable interview that might be helpful in getting a
determination from any such forum.
As to the appropriateness of the archives for quantum consciousness
papers, I note that the
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0204021
by Mavromatos, Mershin, and Nanopoulos has been archived
since Cornell took over administration of the archives,
and
that a quantum consciousness paper by Hagan, Hameroff, and Tuszynski
was published in Physical Review E, Volume 65, 061901, on 10 June 2002.
One thing that I should disclose is that when I was at
Clark Atlanta University there was a controversy involving
a friend of mine, Carlos Castro, whose papers Ginsparg did
not like. Although I was not directly involved in the controversy,
I made no secret of my sympathy for my friend,
and Ginsparg directed his hostility not only at Carlos Castro,
but also at everybody at Clark Atlanta University. In fact,
Ginsparg threatened to cut off archive access of everybody at Clark
Atlanta University if Clark Atlanta University did not cease supporting
Carlos Castro. Cooler heads at Los Alamos apparently restrained
Ginsparg, because that particular threat was not carried out.
However, now Ginsparg is at Cornell,
and that seems to be a new ball game.
The Ginsparg controversy is the main reason that I don't ask
you, or my friends at Clark Atlanta Universty, to try to sponsor me.
I value your friendship and don't want to drag you into a controversy
that you don't need, and I don't want to give Cornell any excuse
to act vindictively towards Clark Atlanta University or my friends there.
I do appreciate the fact that Ron Fox said that Ga Tech was OK
with sponsoring me (even though David was not), but regrettably
from my point of view David has been substantially working alone
at Ga Tech and nobody else on the Ga Tech faculty is very familiar
with his work, let alone mine.
It may be that there is no forum to which I could go to get
a fair evaluation of fitness to be registered as an author.
In fact, that is my current best estimate of the situation.
If you agree with that assessment, please feel free to say so.
I am just looking for honest advice, in case I am overlooking
some reasonable avenue.
I do recognize that my authorship may in fact be over with,
and I will have no hard feelings whatsoever toward a messenger
who tells me what I already suspect is true.
Thanks.
Tony 23 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Tue Sep 24 23:46:19 2002
Return-Path: <baez@math.ucr.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from sentry.ucr.edu (sentry.ucr.edu [138.23.226.224])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3071388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:50:23 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from tangerine.ucr.edu (tangerine.ucr.edu [138.23.225.70])
by sentry.ucr.edu (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.0.52-EA)
with SMTP id ADQ24224
for <tsmith@innerx.net>;
Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:34:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: <baez@math.ucr.edu>
Received: from math-ws-n09.ucr.edu ([138.23.202.159]) by tangerine.ucr.edu
with ESMTP for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:37:06 -0700
Received: (from baez@localhost)
by math-ws-n09.ucr.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g8P3WWZ20515
for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <200209250332.g8P3WWZ20515@math-ws-n09.ucr.edu>
Subject: Re: advice
To: tsmith@innerx.net (Tony Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b9b50ae56c1b@[63.210.75.202]> from "Tony Smith" at Sep 23, 2002 03:09:41 PM
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-UIDL: @UZ"!PDY!!Sil"!8!T"!
Hi -
An interesting story!
> Since the rejected paper deals with quantum consciousness (it is a
> paper that I submitted to the Quantum Mind conference at U. Arizona
> to be held in March 2003), and since it is based on Hameroff-Penrose
> ideas about microtubules, and since David knows Penrose,
> I then made an alternative suggestion,
> that perhaps David could put me in touch with Penrose (as by
> a letter of introduction) and, since Penrose is at Oxford where
> there are many highly intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
> maybe Penrose could ask a student or post-doc to look at my body of
> work and make an evaluation that he could use in making a determination
> of my fitness to be an author on the e-print archive.
> I even said that I would be willing to go to Oxford at my expense
> to discuss my work, if that would be helpful.
The main problem about having anyone put you in touch with
Penrose is that Penrose, being sort of famous, deliberately
makes it hard for anyone to get in touch with him, to screen
out the masses of people who would otherwise pester him.
For example, he has a personal secretary read his email.
He is however a very nice fellow. So one crazy possibility is
that you could try to meet him in Waco Texas, where he and I
will be speaking at the Dirac Centenary Conference next week
Monday-Wednesday:
http://www.baylor.edu/Dirac/
Sorry to tell you about this so late in the day - I've been
meaning to reply to your email for a while, and had this crazy
idea just now. I'm not sure it makes sense, but you could consider it.
> Is there any forum anywhere to which I could submit a sample of
> my work (for example, my latest paper that was archived, which is at
> http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
> and the paper in question which is on my web site as
> http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
> the former is (IMO) a pretty much plain vanilla physics paper
> and the latter, on quantum consciousness, is more speculative).
I know of no other forum for serious physics papers that is
in any way comparable to the physics preprint archive.
So, the only alternative I could suggest is posting a short
article to sci.physics.research including a link to your
paper.
> As to the appropriateness of the archives for quantum consciousness
> papers, I note that the
> http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0204021
> by Mavromatos, Mershin, and Nanopoulos has been archived
> since Cornell took over administration of the archives,
> and
> that a quantum consciousness paper by Hagan, Hameroff, and Tuszynski
> was published in Physical Review E, Volume 65, 061901, on 10 June 2002.
Personally I think this quantum consciousness stuff is complete baloney,
which is why I'm not going to be as helpful to you as I could
in principle be. But you're right, some people get away with
putting papers about it on the preprint archive - people with .edu
addresses I expect.
Best,
jb
From ???@??? Wed Sep 25 01:02:20 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (unknown [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B01388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:16:16 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.185.126] (dialup-209.246.185.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.185.126])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 925AE10E2F3; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9b6ee6c9c6a@[209.246.183.55]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:01:46 -0400
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Re: advice
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: a2!"!Ci,!!fM_"!`1<!!
Thanks for your suggestion about Waco. I have just bought
an airline ticket to and from DFW and registered online.
I guess I have to mail in the registration fee, as they
say on the web that they want checks only and no credit cards.
In the morning I will call the Waco Hilton and the Waco Streak
shuttle for their reservations.
Even if I don't get to talk directly to Penrose,
the schedule of talks and speakers look excellent.
One thing I should clarify about the language in
my earlier message: When I asked "Is there any forum ...".
I was not asking about an alternative to the e-print archives.
As you said, there is none "that is in any way comparable".
I was asking whether there was any institution (forum) that
could evaluate me and certify to Cornell that my stuff,
whether or not it is right or wrong,
is actually worthy of archiving,
and that I am worthy of being registered as an author,
because
my understanding is that is what Cornell wants for
non-affiliated people like me to be registered as authors.
Your opinion of quantum consciousness may in fact turn out
to be correct, but consciousness does exist,
and I think that it must be reducible to quantum physics somehow,
and that is what I am trying to explore. I am fully cognizant
that first steps in such an exploration can lead to stumbling and falling,
and that my first steps may indeed some day be proven wrong.
Thanks again for your suggestion, and I am looking forward
to your talk in Waco.
Tony 25 Sep 2002
From ???@??? Thu Oct 03 17:35:14 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2E0388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:10:48 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.181.172] (dialup-209.246.181.172.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.181.172])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 7824D10E3AD; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:08:15 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9c25455b418@[209.246.182.34]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:57:48 -0400
To: lark2@ozline.net, lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: books, internet, etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, rnboyd@mip.net
X-UIDL: IW1"!~\o"!eSG"!m^K"!
Laura, thanks very, very much for the Mask of Sanity books and CD-Rs
that I received today. Over the next weeks I will try to get
them to some people that have said they needed them.
It is really a good service that you did in getting them printed.
Ark, as you said in a message to Neil Boyd that he forwarded to me,
my reaction to being barred from the Cornell e-print archives
is emotional. As to it leading me to stop further web site development,
maybe that is emotional also, because I associate my web site with
my posts on the archives. My first e-print archive post was in
January 1993, and my web site went up around February 1994,
both while I was using Ga Tech e-mail and web servers.
I associated in my mind both of them as being places of free exchange
of information with everybody on equal footing.
The end of the e-print archives as free exchange with everybody
equal leads me to think that the web may be heading in a similar direction.
In fact,
some years ago at a corporate law continuing legal education
seminar I heard this exchange take place:
Question: I thought that the internet was a medium for
free exchange of information for everybody.
Answer: Corporate interests are now taking control of the internet
and anarchists like you will be put down.
I have been wondering how long it would take "corporate interests" to
"put down" people like me, and now it seems to me that it is now
beginning to happen.
My emotional feeling about Cornell's repudiation of LANL policy
that let me post on the e-print archives
(Here is a direct quote from the Cornell people about the policy
of LANL xxx.lanl.gov that let me post:
"... This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov,
so the history is not strictly relevant. ...".)
is that it is only the first nail in my internet coffin,
and I am tired of fighting and am giving up (not to do something new and
interesting, just to get away from unpleasant conflict).
Also, I see my leaving my web site up as it was when this happened,
with a statement of why I am doing that (it is on my front web page,
with a link to details),
as a web-monument of protest against restrictions of free information flow.
I did attend an interesting physics conference at Baylor
over the past few days, and I might mention my situation
to others in the future, but after David Finkelstein did
not support me I am not optimistic about getting what
Cornell seems to want, which is someone at a prominent
USA university physics department to sponsor me as an author.
The reason why I say "prominent" is that when I was at
Clark Atlanta University there was a controversy involving
a friend of mine, Carlos Castro, whose papers Ginsparg (who
is now running the archives at Cornell) did not like.
Although I was not directly involved in the controversy,
I made no secret of my sympathy for my friend.
Ginsparg directed his hostility not only at Carlos Castro,
but also at everybody at Clark Atlanta University.
In fact,
Ginsparg threatened to cut off archive access of everybody at Clark
Atlanta University if Clark Atlanta University did not cease supporting
Carlos Castro. Cooler heads at Los Alamos apparently restrained
Ginsparg, because that particular threat was not carried out.
However, now Ginsparg is at Cornell,
and he seems to be unrestrained there.
Therefore, I fear that Ginsparg might retaliate against any
university that has a professor who sponsors me unless that
university is so prominent that he could not get away with it.
Effectively, I think that means that such a university must
be at least as prominent as Cornell.
It also means that it might be very hard to find a person
at such a university who is not afraid of getting into
a controversy with Ginsparg and Cornell.
I know that I could do like Carlos Castro and
get friends in other countries to post my papers from their
e-mail addresses (because Cornell seems to have not yet figured out
how to distinguish "acceptable" e-mail addresses from others
with respect to overseas e-mail accounts)
but
as a matter of priniciple I am refusing to try to sneak into
the archives through a back door. I am insisting that I be
let in the front door, and that they seem unwilling to do,
at least so far.
Tony 3 October 2002
From ???@??? Thu Oct 03 18:03:34 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (unknown [216.136.109.40])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727A7388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:51:57 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 4GFFT9FL; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:36:17 -0400
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:37:24 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: books, internet, etc
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Cc: lark2@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3D9C8054.5873.1117762@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9c25455b418@[209.246.182.34]>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
X-UIDL: [fD!!KE8"!02>"!:3c!!
On 3 Oct 2002, at 16:57, Tony Smith wrote:
> Clark Atlanta University there was a controversy involving
> a friend of mine, Carlos Castro, whose papers Ginsparg (who
> is now running the archives at Cornell) did not like.
Dear Tony,
I suspect that there are other reasons as well, and that Ginsparg
may know things that you are not aware of.
Look at this email:
************
"Date sent: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:36:53 -0500 (COT)
From: Jorge Mahecha <mahecha@fisica.udea.edu.co>
To: Arkadiusz Jadczyk <lark1@ozline.net>
Subject: Re: On plausible violations of the Riemann
conjecture due to fractal
p-branes
> Why did you remove M.S.El Naschie as a co-author?
> Was there some particular reason? A "war" of a kind?
We convinced him about the "plausible violations ...", but when we
found we were in error and write a replacement we decided to remove
his name. We had obligation to avoid some damage to his reputation
motivated in our mistake.
(...)
Best,
Jorge
********
So, there WAS something strange going on, and I am not sure if
Mahecha told me all the story.
At some point I was in a mood you are now, and decided to "protest"
one way or another. But the world does not pay attention to protests
of individuals. Therefore I suggest you continue the work on your web
site, and make it even better than it is now.
Let me give an example: I decided that I can do better my unusual
work if I will have "good reputation". That is why I decided to work
really hard and send every second day or so a "reasonable" post to
the newsgroup sci.physics.research. I consider it being my payment,
my duty. I have to "pay" in order to be able, once in a while, write
something "strange" and still be listened to.
There are many possibilities. Once in a while we can publish a paper
together, as there are topics where we interests converge and our
discussion can be considered as a collaboration. There will be,
probably, other options available.
So, I would say, take a deep breeth and relax. Or watch some horror
movie.
Not all is black, and even if there is lot of black color around,
that is how the world is. We need tyo learn how to navigate
in this strange world full of paradoxes. God-Creator is not
in a better position. You can help Him.
Best wishes,
ark
From ???@??? Thu Oct 03 18:52:15 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D8E388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:04:57 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.181.172] (dialup-209.246.181.172.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.181.172])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 21F3D10E40E; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102803b9c26f8c1927@[209.246.181.172]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:52:01 -0400
To: lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Ginsparg and El Naschie
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, lark2@ozline.net
X-UIDL: k[-!!ncj!!0W:"!Z64"!
There are some more facts about Ginsparg and El Naschie.
Here is my recollection of some of them that I did know about:
The controversy occurred around the year 2000.
Mohanmed el Naschie was a co-author of a paper with Carlos Castro
and Alex Granik, and on that paper el Naschie's institutional affiliation
was listed as DAMTP at Cambridge.
Carlos Castro believed that el Naschie's DAMTP affiliation was
legitimate, and indeed some web pages such as
http://fis.iguw.tuwien.ac.at/fis96/fis96abstr.htm
which seems now (2002) to be down, but was up in 2000,
did list such a DAMTP affiliation, which led Carlos to
have that belief that the affiliation was real.
For some reason, Ginsparg got upset about el Naschie's listed DAMTP
affiliation, and, instead of contacting the other authors in
a civil way and discussing possible inaccuracies or misunderstandings,
Ginsparg attacked Carlos (who was IMO only an innocent co-author)
by telling other physicists that Carlos was a "nut",
and
also by effectively telling Clark Atlanta University that if it continued
to support Carlos then the entire Clark Atlanta University would be cut
off from the archives.
After some people at Clark Atlanta communicated with some
(IMO more rational than Ginsparg) people at LANL,
the matter ended with Clark Atlanta not being cut off,
and with el Naschie's affiliation being removed from the paper,
which is on the archives as
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0004152
However,
Carlos (who did NOT know of any problems with el Nashie's affiliation
and who, when he was apprised of the existence of a controversy about it,
agreed to removal of the affiliation from the paper)
continued to have difficulty in getting his papers posted,
and now most (maybe all) of his posts are from non-USA e-mail addresses.
Recent examples are
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0205065
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0208138
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0208221
In my opinion Ginsparg is a vindictive control freak who
attacks those whose views of physics are not sufficiently
coincident with his own views, and his attacks about el Naschie's
affiliation are just a cover for his personal vendetta against
Carlos's non-standard physics.
I also think that Ginsparg did a good thing in starting the archives,
and that he should have gotten a genius award back when he did so,
and when he was in need of money for computers etc in getting started,
so I don't think that Ginsparg is pure evil, just a human mixture
whose bad side unfortunately attacks people like Carlos and me
(at least in part due to my public support of Carlos, who I think
was blameless in the el Naschie affair).
As to whether or not el Naschie's DAMTP affiliation was in fact
valid, I do not know. I only know that it was controversial,
and I leave it to el Naschie to fight his own battles with
respect to that,
and I think that Carlos was (with respect to el Naschie's controversy)
an innocent party.
Tony 3 October 2002
From ???@??? Thu Oct 03 20:36:13 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (unknown [216.136.109.40])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4EE388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:05:45 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 4GFF4C2K; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:51:15 -0400
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:52:41 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: Ginsparg and El Naschie
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3D9CA009.20952.18D54B0@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <l03102803b9c26f8c1927@[209.246.181.172]>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
X-UIDL: JY*"!$nU!!?eN"!B2i"!
On 3 Oct 2002, at 18:52, Tony Smith wrote:
> As to whether or not el Naschie's DAMTP affiliation was in fact
> valid, I do not know. I only know that it was controversial,
> and I leave it to el Naschie to fight his own battles with
> respect to that,
> and I think that Carlos was (with respect to el Naschie's controversy)
> an innocent party.
>
> Tony 3 October 2002
Thanks for that additional info. Perhaps Ginsparg's strings are being
pulled by someone else whom we do not know by name. I would be
surprised. Perhaps Castro's ideas are too close to something that
"they" do not want to be too well known. All is possible.
Every additional information always helps to see more of the
mechanisms behind the scenes.
Best wishes,
ark
P.S. More and more people are using NEC search engine. For that it
does not matter where your paper is. Just make sure that it is in PDF
or postscript format.
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cs
From ???@??? Sat Oct 05 00:35:50 2002
Return-Path: <vladw@earthlink.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D3388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 01:41:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from earthlink.net (adsl-64-175-121-110.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.175.121.110])
by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g952RS1J081584;
Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:27:32 -0400
Message-ID: <3D9E4E10.B8235796@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:27:28 -0700
From: vladw <vladw@earthlink.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
X-Accept-Language: en,ru,ro
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ##VLAD EARTHLINK <vladw@earthlink.net>,
##01LEVLAD <VLADW@LEVLAD.COM>, tony smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: TONY SMITH== SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEMS WITH CORNELL
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------3C6CCFA5F0211EADD139F854"
X-UIDL: ,?H"!90[!!</X!!R"e!!
<html><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
ESTEEMED TONY SMITH, This your student Vladimir Weinstein..
<p>I RECENTLY LOOKED AT YOUR FRNT HOME PAGE AND READ ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS
WITH CORNELL-SUBMISSIONS RULES.
<p>I AM SURPRISED AND UPSET ABOUT YOUR COLLEAGUES HESITANT TO SPONSOR
AND/OR REVIEW YOUR SOME OF YOUR REVOLUTIONARE IDEAS.. PERHAPS THEY
ARE TOO RIGID, NOT UP TO PAR OR SIMPLY AFRAID TO UNDERSTAND.. PERHAPS YOU
TRULY FELL DOWN FROM "22nd CENTURY" INTO 20TH CENTURY MATHEMATICS
(Witten :) )
<br>==========
<br>I HAVE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION,
<br>I HAVE GOOD CONTACT IN RUSSIAN SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY,
<br>(WHICH IS IN FINANCIAL DISARRAY, AND BUDGETS SLASHED TOT HE BONE)..<b><u>
IF YOU WOULD LIKE </u></b>I WILL FIND YOU A MATH-PHYSICS PROFESSOR IN GOOD
STANDING, THAT WILL SPONSOR AND/OR REVIEW, COWRITE YOUR NEW SUBMISSIONS..
<p>INCLUDED ARE SOME LINKS TO RUSSIAN SCENTIFIC INSTITUTES AND ACADEMICS.
<br>LOOK AROUND AND FIND 3 TO 5 E-MAILS OF PROFESSORS THAT WOULD
BE ABLE UNDERSTAND AND REVIEW YOUR THEORIES..
<br>AND E-MAIL THOSE E-MAILS TO ME.. I WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM
AND DO SOME "MAGIC" -- FINANCIAL INCENTIVES ETCCCC.
<p>PREFERRABLY CHOOSE ACADEMICS FROM INSTITUTES OUTSIDE OF
<br>"MOSCOW REGION" LIKE "NOVOSIBIRSK AREA" ETC.. WHERE US $
<br>WILL GO MUCH FURTHER..
<p>LET ME KNOW IF I CAN BE OF HELP.. YOUR FRIEND VLADIMIR WEINSTEIN....
<p>=======
<br>LINKS TO RUSSIAN INSTITUTES:
<p><A HREF="http://graybook.cern.ch/institutes/countries/RU.html">http://graybook.cern.ch/institutes/countries/RU.html</A>
<p><A HREF="http://www.yars.free.net/English/Science/YSU/Dept/Phys/DivTheorPhys/hepg.html">http://www.yars.free.net/English/Science/YSU/Dept/Phys/DivTheorPhys/hepg.html</A>
<p><A HREF="http://hep.itpm.msu.su/people.html">http://hep.itpm.msu.su/people.html</A>
<p>ETC ETC .......
<br>============
<p>HERE IS MY LAST E-MAIL FROM YOU THAT I TRULY APPRECIATED:
<p>Subject: Re: ... INTRIGUING
QUESTION
<br> Date:
Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:13:25 -0500
<br> From:
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
<br> To:
vladw@earthlink.net
<br> CC:
tsmith@innerx.net
<p>Vladimir, thanks very much for your e-mail which I DID receive
<br>including the attached images.
<p>The best reference that I know for kissing spheres and the very
<br>interesting lattices in various dimensions is the book
<br>Sphere Packings, Lattices and Groups (3rd editon, Springer-Verlag 1999)
<br>by J. H. Conway and N. J. A. Sloane.
<p>It may be that the interesting phenomena that you see in 4-dim
<br>is related to the D4 lattice. Conway and Sloane describe it in
<br>their book (see for example pages 118-119), where they start with
<br>an initial point (center of sphere) and then look at how many are
<br>in each shell of given radius from the initial one.
<p>In the 4-dim D4 lattice, instead of there being uniformly more
<br>and more of them at larger and larger radii,
<br>you see that every so often (related to powers of 2) you get
<br>a shell with ONLY 24 of them.
<br>Maybe you could regard each such 24-shell as a sphere/point of
<br>a "new" lattice in a process like you describe.
<p>If you go to 8-dim, you see that the ordinary/cubic 8-dim lattice
<br>"grows" to exactly the size that ANOTHER one can fit in its "holes",
<br>thus making an E8 lattice, and it turns out that there are 7 different
<br>ways to make such an E8 lattice, related to the 7 imaginary octonions.
<br>(I think that those 7 are more "different" than
<br>the 3 ways of doing a 4-dim lattice, which might be related to
<br>the 3 imaginary quaternions, so that, depending on how you define
<br>"different", you could say that with one such definition there
<br>might be only 1 4-dim lattice but 7 8-dim lattices. You could
<br>define "different" differently, and have more of each, but there
<br>is some sort of sense that 8-dim lattices have more variety
<br>than 4-dim lattices.
<br>Conway and Sloane have a lot about 8-dim E8 lattices,
<br>for one example beginning at page 120.
<br>
<p>Your idea of phases of immiscible liquids is very interesting.
<br>In terms of it, I might think of the 8-dim spacetime of my model
<br>as two 4-dim spaces uniformly alike at the exact phase inversion,
<br>and
<br>that at lower energies we see what looks like a continuous
<br>4-dim spacetime (water) with an embedded lattice of oil-drops
<br>that look like the Kaluza-Klein compact internal symmetry spaces
<br>that you describe.
<p>As to higher and higher dimensions, the math physics models
<br>leads to dimensions 26, 27, and 28 (the three just beyond your 25-dim
<br>phase transition from phenomena of 24-dim and below).
<p>Any .jpg images of what your programs show would be very interesting
<br>and I would like to see them.
<p>Also, if you have any pictures of the cosmetic emulsion phase transition,
<br>it would be very interesting to me to see them.
<p>Thanks very much for your interesting message.
<p>Tony
13 March 2002
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br> </html>
</html>
From ???@??? Mon Oct 07 10:50:52 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (unknown [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3C4388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:02:46 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.190.233] (dialup-209.246.190.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.190.233])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 05C7A10E2D0; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9c4b105c720@[209.246.181.172]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:50:14 -0400
To: vladw@earthlink.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell situation
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: g6F"!<-;"!L0V"!;kW!!
Thank you for your offer to help with my situation with Cornell.
Although the Cornell administrators of the e-print archive have
not informed me of exactly what they require of a sponsor,
my guess is that they will not approve a sponsor who
has been given "... financial incentives etcccc ... US $ ...".
In my opinion, Cornell would say that such sponsorship
was not sincere, but only bought with money, and therefore invalid.
That makes it hard for me to find a sponsor, because in fact
it would take time and trouble for anyone to read and evaluate
enough of my work to form an opinion of whether or not to I am
worthy of being an author on the e-print archives, and
there would be no monetary compensation for that time and trouble.
I think that Cornell wants a sponsor to be more like an unpaid
referee for a conventional physics journal, and such referees
are not paid in money for their referee work.
Of course,
journal referees do get some sort of non-money compensation
in that if they approve other physicists' papers then those
other physicists (also acting as referees) are more likely
to approve their papers, so that there are mutual benefits
to the entire community of journal referees.
However, since I do not now referee journal articles,
I am not in the community of journal referees, so there is
no such benefit to anybody who spends time and trouble to
review my work.
Due to those circumstances, I think that it is unlikely that your
suggestion will help me with Cornell, so I will not pursue it,
but
I do thank you very much for your kind thoughts and good wishes.
Good luck to you in your work.
Tony Smith 7 October 2002
From ???@??? Mon Oct 07 10:50:53 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD31388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:02:54 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.190.233] (dialup-209.246.190.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.190.233])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 7D5D110E2CD; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:00:29 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9c1d11c8e31@[209.246.180.154]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:50:44 -0400
To: lbrown@northwestern.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Baylor, and request for advice
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: AR&#!<V:"!T~("!_'2!!
I enjoyed the Dirac meeting at Baylor very much,
especially informal discussions.
Although I recognize that it may be an imposition,
and therefore it is OK with me if you don't have
time to answer this message, I need some advice
about a situation that I have recently encountered.
Since 1993 I have been posting papers on the e-print
archives, mostly about a physics model on which I have
been working for many years. Until about 1999 I put
up the papers from e-mail addresses at Georgia Tech
or at Clark Atlanta University, but after then
I had no easy access to Georgia Tech or Clark Atlanta
e-mail, so I began to use this .net address.
Although the Los Alamos people were not very happy
with my .net address, they and I reached an accommmodation
in September 1999 whereby xxx.lanl.gov said:
"... No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
Subject: put
when you have a new submission to make. ...".
I had no objection to being restricted to the general physics
gen-ph archive, and my papers were posted that way until
August-September 2002 when the new administration of
the e-print archives at Cornell changed that, saying
"... This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov,
so the history is not strictly relevant. ...".
Under the new rules, as I understand them (although I have NOT yet
seen a full statement of the new rules, only statements by Cornell
directed to me with respect to my individual case), my effort to become
registered as an author on the archives has been rejected,
unless or until somebody in at acceptable academic physics department
"sponsors" me to be registered as an author on the archives.
Over the last 20 years or so, I have done some work with
David Finkelstein at Georgia Tech. For a time I enrolled
as his super-annuated graduate student, but I could not
pass the closed-book comprehensive exams while practicing
law, and I received no Ph.D.
Even so, I continued to work on physics models and to discuss
things with David in seminars, etc.
After my problems with Cornell as archive administrator,
I asked Ron Fox (head of the Ga Tech physics department)
if it would be OK with Georgia Tech for me, with no Ga Tech affiliation,
to ask David to sponsor me as an author. Ron Fox said OK,
so I asked David,
but David did not agree to sponsor me,
saying that he did not fully understand all my work,
even though I made it clear that I did not interpret "sponsor" to
mean "understand and agree with all ideas",
but only to mean "work is OK to appear on archives".
David did not give me a direct NO, but looked very uncomfortable
and said that he would have to think about it, which is to me in
fact equivalent to a very clear NO.
My question asking your advice is:
Is there any way that an unaffiliated person such as me,
who does not submit papers to refereed journals but only
wants to post on the e-print archives,
could find a "sponsor" in an acceptable academic physics department?
I guess that means that somebody would have to evaluate my work.
My latest (and probably typical) particle physics paper is at
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
which was the last paper that I was permitted to archive under
the September 1999 criteria.
The paper that that led to my rejection as an author on the e-print
archives is on my web site as
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
It is on quantum consciousness, and is more speculative. It has
been submitted to a Quantum Mind conference at Arizona in March 2003.
While at the Baylor meeting, I mentioned the part of it dealing
with Chiao gravity antennas to Roger Penrose, and he seemed interested
in that point and in checking on further details of Chiao's work.
I am NOT saying that he said that my ideas were all good,
only that he was interested in references to Chiao's experimental work,
which might or might not in future experiments appear to be relevant
to tubulin-based models of quantum consciousness.
--------------------------------------
One thing that I should disclose is that when I was using a
Clark Atlanta University e-mail address, there was a controversy
involving a friend of mine, Carlos Castro, whose papers Ginsparg did
not like. Although I was not directly involved in the controversy,
I made no secret of my sympathy for my friend,
and Ginsparg directed his hostility not only at Carlos Castro,
but also at everybody at Clark Atlanta University. In fact,
Ginsparg threatened to cut off archive access of everybody at Clark
Atlanta University if Clark Atlanta University did not cease supporting
Carlos Castro. Cooler heads at Los Alamos apparently restrained
Ginsparg, because that particular threat was not carried out.
However, now Ginsparg is at Cornell,
and it seems to me that he is relatively unrestrained there.
Therefore, I fear that Ginsparg might retaliate against any
university with a professor who sponsors me,
and
that means that it may be very hard for me to find a sponsor.
I know that I could do as Carlos Castro has done and
get friends in other countries to post my papers from their
e-mail addresses (because Cornell seems to have not yet figured out
how to distinguish "acceptable" e-mail addresses from others
with respect to non-USA e-mail accounts)
but
as a matter of priniciple I refuse to try to sneak into
the archives through a back door.
-------------------------------------
As I now see it,
my present (unhappy) opinion is that there is probably no forum
to which I could go to get evaluated with respect to fitness to be registered
as an author on the e-print archives.
Maybe I should just recognize that and be thankful for the time that
I was permitted to post, and for the fact that Cornell has not (yet)
purged my older papers from the archives,
but I am really not happy with that, and am trying to find out
if there is some avenue that I have overlooked.
Since you know a lot more than I do about the world of physics,
my question to you is whether or not you see an overlooked avenue,
and that is why I am burdening you with this e-mail message question.
Of course,
it is possible that I have not overlooked anything significantly helpful,
in which case I hope that you will feel free to tell me so.
Thanks.
Tony Smith 7 October 2002
From ???@??? Mon Oct 07 23:04:50 2002
Return-Path: <vladw@earthlink.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F5C388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:47:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from earthlink.net (adsl-64-175-121-110.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.175.121.110])
by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g981XvGq160964;
Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:34:01 -0400
Message-ID: <3DA23607.500DB5CD@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:33:59 -0700
From: vladw <vladw@earthlink.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
X-Accept-Language: en,ru,ro
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>,
##VLAD EARTHLINK <vladw@earthlink.net>
Subject: Reply to : Cornell situation
References: <l03102800b9c4b105c720@[209.246.181.172]>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------E33DEF10866766D59A1DA564"
X-UIDL: obl"!?kH"!#ED!!HFY"!
<html><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Perhaps I should not!! have mentioned $$, for what I was suggesting
was not a bribe
<br>at all.. From recent russian academicians on visit here that i talked
to recently, most of the mathematicians
<br>physicists are in dire straits financially.. and asking them
to initially review your theories would <b><u>not guarantee </u></b>their
aprroval and participation,
<br>but <b><u>only if your papers have "real meat" in them, </u> </b>
I was simply going to ask them to initially review and perhaps add
additional extensions to your theories
<br>thats all. If there was <u>genuine enthusiasm </u>and extrapolation
of your theories, only then would I introduce you to each other for
potential collaboration
<br>in future publishing. There are numerous top-notch theorists who continuously
submit papers to local and international archives and their potential collaboration
with you <b><u>would be beyond reproach! </u></b>Money is secondary
if at all, and only would serve to help fellow-theoretician in making his
life a little easier, as many are forced to moonlight.
<br>Again money was not to viewed as some insulting bribe, but perhaps
as version of standard altruistic reasearch-grant in advancement
of science..
<br>Sorry for misunderstanding, lest you think there is no-one in academic
Russian community up to par to understand and/or extend your theories...
<p>Let me know if you change your mind...
<p>Tony Smith wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Thank you for your offer to help with my situation
with Cornell.
<br>Although the Cornell administrators of the e-print archive have
<br>not informed me of exactly what they require of a sponsor,
<br>my guess is that they will not approve a sponsor who
<br>has been given "... financial incentives etcccc ... US $ ...".
<br>In my opinion, Cornell would say that such sponsorship
<br>was not sincere, but only bought with money, and therefore invalid.
<p>That makes it hard for me to find a sponsor, because in fact
<br>it would take time and trouble for anyone to read and evaluate
<br>enough of my work to form an opinion of whether or not to I am
<br>worthy of being an author on the e-print archives, and
<br>there would be no monetary compensation for that time and trouble.
<br>I think that Cornell wants a sponsor to be more like an unpaid
<br>referee for a conventional physics journal, and such referees
<br>are not paid in money for their referee work.
<p>Of course,
<br>journal referees do get some sort of non-money compensation
<br>in that if they approve other physicists' papers then those
<br>other physicists (also acting as referees) are more likely
<br>to approve their papers, so that there are mutual benefits
<br>to the entire community of journal referees.
<br>However, since I do not now referee journal articles,
<br>I am not in the community of journal referees, so there is
<br>no such benefit to anybody who spends time and trouble to
<br>review my work.
<p>Due to those circumstances, I think that it is unlikely that your
<br>suggestion will help me with Cornell, so I will not pursue it,
<br>but
<br>I do thank you very much for your kind thoughts and good wishes.
<p>Good luck to you in your work.
<p>Tony Smith
7 October 2002</blockquote>
</html>
</html>
From ???@??? Tue Oct 08 15:39:15 2002
Return-Path: <lbrown@northwestern.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from lotus.phys.nwu.edu (lotus.phys.northwestern.edu [129.105.21.210])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04499388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:23:16 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from S0025306671.northwestern.edu (pine-36-009206.nuts.northwestern.edu [129.105.9.206])
by lotus.phys.nwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08560
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:09:44 -0500
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021008090918.00b8f958@lotus.phys.northwestern.edu>
X-Sender: brown@lotus.phys.northwestern.edu
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:09:45 -0500
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
From: "Laurie M. Brown" <lbrown@northwestern.edu>
Subject: Re: Baylor, and request for advice
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b9c1d11c8e31@[209.246.180.154]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
X-UIDL: -[D!!c;J!!/R@"!aDe!!
Dear Tony,
I did enjoy your company and talking with you at Baylor. As for your
problem, I don't think I have any helpful suggestions. I have been doing
history of physics now for twenty years and not publishing physics papers,
on the Internet or anywhere else, so I will have to beg off.
Best regards,
Laurie.
From ???@??? Tue Oct 08 19:17:30 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179B8388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:29:18 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.16.88] (dialup-65.58.16.88.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.16.88])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id B2F6B10E2C4; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9c912621e84@[65.58.16.88]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:17:21 -0400
To: dwmarks@bellsouth.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: advice
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: e"Z!!mf$#!4]X"!\1/"!
Back in September, with respect to my problems with Cornell's
administration of the e-print archive, you gave me some advice:
"... Could John Baez be of any help?
Wasn°Øt he at Cornell before going to UC Riverside? ...".
Even though I replied to you "... I rather doubt that he could help ...",
I did think about it and did contact him. Although he did not offer
to help directly (such as by sponsoring me himself), he did say
that he would be giving a talk at a Dirac conference
http://www.baylor.edu/Dirac/
at Baylor in Waco, Texas, and that Penrose would be there,
and he suggested that I go, and I did.
The conference was last week. Since my paper that precipitated
my Cornell problem was on a quantum consciousness model similar
to that of Penrose, I did talk to Penrose.
Penrose seemed interested in one of the points of my paper,
that gravitational antenna experiments by Chiao described at
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0204012
might be relevant to tubulin models,
but
Penrose also said that he could not help me with my problem,
because he was trying to get away from administrative stuff
(I can sympathize with him there) and that he only had one grad student,
as opposed to a lot of students who could do such things.
At the conference I met Laurie Brown, who is a physics historian
at Northwestern, and I asked him for any advice he might have as
to what I might be able to do with respect to my Cornell situation.
His reply (received by me today by e-mail) was:
"Dear Tony,
I did enjoy your company and talking with you at Baylor. As for your
problem, I don't think I have any helpful suggestions. I have been doing
history of physics now for twenty years and not publishing physics papers,
on the Internet or anywhere else, so I will have to beg off.
Best regards,
Laurie."
I understand his position, but as of now I seem to have run out
of options, and I cannot think of anything to do except to
admit defeat and recognize that Ginsparg and Cornell have
succesfully kicked me off the archives.
This message is just a long-shot request for any advice that
you might have, but I recognize that it is likely that there
is nothing that I can do except give up and quit.
Tony 8 Oct 2002
PS - John Baez was not at Cornell.I think that
he got his A.B. at Princeton, his Ph.D. at MIT,
then spent some time at Yale, and then went
to U.C. Riverside where he is now.
From ???@??? Fri Oct 11 20:26:04 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (unknown [216.136.109.40])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B41E388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:01:50 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 44BC4CM8; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:48:48 -0400
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:50:44 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, baez@math.ucr.edu
Message-ID: <3DA70F74.6128.43567B4@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <200210112127.g9BLRKN29741@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
X-UIDL: &fm"!2<>!!mRb!!nkf"!
On 11 Oct 2002, at 17:27, register-query for arXiv.org wrote:
> Date sent: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:27:20 -0400
> From: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for
> arXiv.org) To: lark1@ozline.net Subject: RE:
> arXiv.org policy Copies to: ajad@ift.uni.wroc.pl
>
> > I received two complaints from two different persons.
>
> We have no idea why these complaints would go to you.
Perhaps because I am trying to understand what is going on.
> > Here is my opinion: in my opinion Tony Smith papers SHOULD be
> > allowed to be put on the server. Even if these papers would not fit
> > the criteria of most of peer reviewed journals, there is a sincere
> > work behind, and there are useful ideas and deep understanding
> > behind.
>
> Then why are they not suitable for any peer reviewed journal?
> They are all sincere.
That is a clear avoiding the issue, and also that is twisting.
I wrote, let me quote: " Even if these papers would not fit
> > the criteria of most of peer reviewed journals"
and let me stress the word MOST
Now you twisted it into "ANY".
This is a clear twist of logic. I can't believe a physicist or a
mathematician can twist logic that way. I would appreciate
explanation why did you do it. I would also appreciate
knowing with WHOM I am interacting. Knowing the pesson
helps a lot in any reasonable communication and prevents from
misjudging (perhaps I misunderstood your intentions above? Perhaps
you have good inetntions but have chosen clumsy words to express
these intentions?)
> > Shervgi Shahverdiyev's papers show lack of knowledge of results
> > obtained by other people. They are naive and they do not deserve
> > space on the server. But the way Shervgi Shahverdiyev is being
> > treated is far from being the "right one". I know it is very
> > difficult to manage and to get rid of all crazy man and those who
> > cheat, but the way it is being handled at present is inapropriate.
>
> As was explained to all of them, the policies are currently undergoing
> revision.
What is not clear is WHO is revising? Who is in the committee?
Who is responsible? I mean personally?
> It is not clear what is inappropriate about his treatment.
Is there any person at arXiv that is REALLY interested in getting
answer to this question? And who is in charge and has power to CHANGE
- when such a change is warranted by the facts?
> Since you do not think the submissions appropriate, then feel free to
> tell him yourself, so we can learn what you think is appropriate
> treatment.
How can you learn when I say something to someone else?
Another twist in logic?
Sincerely,
ark
From ???@??? Fri Oct 11 21:16:46 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15500388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:27:22 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.74.27] (dialup-63.210.74.27.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.74.27])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 0978210E2B0; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9cd1d9f8ab9@[63.210.78.172]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:15:56 -0400
To: lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: thanks for your efforts
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: YiX"!'M+"!7eI"!#+f"!
Ark, thanks very much for your efforts in trying to understand
what is going on at Cornell with the e-print archives.
Your observation of Cornell's "clear twist of logic" is unfortunately
accurate. Unfortunately, I CAN believe that physicists can (and do)
twist logic as Cornell e-print archive administrators do.
You quote Cornell as saying "... the policies are currently undergoing
revision. ...", in a message from them on 11 Oct 2002.
You may be interested to know that, over two months ago, back on
8 August 2002, I received a message from no-reply@arXiv.org that
referred to "... an ongoing reevaluation of registration policies. ...".
On 10 August I sent to register-query@arXiv.org,
with a copy to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu, a message saying,
in part:
"... I also hereby formally request that you send to me a
complete statement of any policy or policies that you
may have with respect to registration ...".
Probably due to the copy going to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu,
I received on 12 August 2002 a message from a human being,
Jean Poland, who said:
"... Dear Dr. Smith:
I am responding to your note to the Cornell University Library Gateway
about your submission to arXiv. At this time we are reviewing the
policies for submission of material to arXiv and I will be happy to
forward a copy of those to you when we they are complete. We are
also reviewing the registration process.
Your submission has been deferred for review, as are all submissions
from a ".net" address. A representative of arXiv will respond to
your request within the week.
I appreciate your patience in this matter.
Jean Poland ...".
My reply to her was:
"... Thank you very much for your reply to my message requesting
that I be registered as an author for submission of papers
to the e-print archives at arxiv.org.
Since you "... are reviewing the policies for submission of material
to arXiv ..." and "... are also reviewing the registration process. ...",
I would like to let you know that I have no problem whatsoever
with waiting a reasonable time for you for formulate such policies,
as I think that it is much better to take some time to formulate a good
policy than to rush the formulation process.
Perhaps some of the information (and some of my questions) in my request
might be helpful to you in the formulation process.
In any event, whatever you eventually decide, I would like to thank
you very much for the courtesy of a reply from a human being.
As I said, please feel free, as far as my request is concerned,
to take whatever reasonable time you need for policy formulation,
and
thank you for agreeing to forward to me a copy of the resulting policy
when it has been formulated.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 12 August 202 ...".
I thought that two weeks should be enough time to set a policy
or at least deal with my request,
so I waited a couple of weeks and on 26 August 2002 sent a message
to Jean Poland asking how things were going with my request.
I think that I did not receive a reply until 8 September 2002,
and then Jean Poland did not reply,
but the reply came from register-query@arXiv.org and said in part:
"... Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom of
the queue,
and take that much longer to receive response. ...".
Therefore, it is clear that the Cornell administrators do NOT want
me talking to human beings, and that Jean Poland has been told to
quit talking to me.
As to your question to the Cornell administrators
".. who is in charge ...",
there are two ways to look at it:
1 - The the web page at
http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/manntom2.cgi?section=networked&URL=g
ateway.html
lists the CU Library Gateway e-Reference Collection as including
"... arXiv.org e-print archive ...", which is why I sent a copy
of my earlier messaage to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
so it is probably technically/legally the entity in charge;
2 - The fact that I was told to quit sending messages to Jean Polander
indicates that de facto somebody else is in charge,
and
the fact that the policies are still under revision,
over 2 months after 8 August 2002, indicates to me that de facto
whoever is in charge is not acting under the constraints of ANY policy,
and can act according to whim.
Unfortunately, I think that 2 is what is going on.
It is sort of like when Batista ran Cuba with other
people as figurehead presidents. If you wanted to do
business in Cuba then, it was useless to do try to follow
any procedure or law or anything else without Batista's approval,
which was unconstrained.
(My father had some personal experience with that,
which is why I use that example.)
Thanks again for your efforts. Please do not feel obligated
to do more, because I fear that, as the Borg/Picard/Locutus
said in Star Trek The Next Generation: "Resistance is futile".
Tony 11 Oct 2002
From ???@??? Fri Oct 11 23:10:58 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD03E388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 02:07:54 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 4XLR8LNV; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:54:55 -0400
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:56:44 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: thanks for your efforts
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3DA7572C.25687.54D8FE6@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9cd1d9f8ab9@[63.210.78.172]>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
X-UIDL: hf6"!K#g"!':U!!^jG"!
On 11 Oct 2002, at 21:15, Tony Smith wrote:
> Thanks again for your efforts. Please do not feel obligated
> to do more, because I fear that, as the Borg/Picard/Locutus
> said in Star Trek The Next Generation: "Resistance is futile".
Tony,
Do not forget that we live in a nonlinear world. Do not forget about
the butterfly effect. Therefore if there is something that CAN be
done, however small it seems to be, when it is the "natural thing to
do" - it worth your effort. You never know - perhaps the fate of the
ENTIRE UNIVERSE decides through you seemingly insignificant
effort.
And that is also why I suggest that you carry on with your research
and with your web site. Because, as I said, your published idea may
cause a chain of events that will determine the fate of the human
race and more. Of course you will decide whether and how and when
and what would be the best use of your increadible talents and
intuition.
Best wishes,
ark
From ???@??? Mon Oct 14 21:57:06 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F63388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:58:21 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 45MRMLDP; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:45:47 -0400
Resent-From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
Resent-To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Resent-date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:47:22 -0500
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.75]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 45MRMJZA; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:48:18 -0400
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9EEmQY29316;
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:48:26 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g9EEmO705707;
Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:48:24 -0400
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:48:24 -0400
Message-Id: <200210141448.g9EEmO705707@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
From: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
To: lark1@ozline.net
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
Cc: ajad@ift.uni.wroc.pl
Resent-Message-Id: <20021014145821.C0F63388363@leap.innerx.net>
X-UIDL: $m)"!MPR!!J8?"!j@%"!
> From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
> To: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:50:44 -0500
> Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
> CC: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, baez@math.ucr.edu, ajad@ift.uni.wroc.pl
>
>> Then why are they not suitable for any peer reviewed journal?
>
> ,That is a clear avoiding the issue, and also that is twisting.
> I wrote, let me quote: " Even if these papers would not fit
> the criteria of most of peer reviewed journals"
>
> and let me stress the word MOST. Now you twisted it into "ANY".
Specify in what journal "any" have been published.
Or conjecture in what journals "any" could be published, and encourage the
author to submit to those journals.
>> As was explained to all of them, the policies are currently undergoing
>> revision.
>
> What is not clear is WHO is revising?
By a committee coordinated by the Cornell University Library.
You find the two authors distinguishable in some direction, others with direct
subject matter expertise find them indistinguishable. (We note that you are not
a regular hep-th contributor.)
They appear as but two of a large pool here -- typically flagged by reader
complaints -- encouraged to find alternate outlets.
We are instructed that this system was never intended as an outlet of last
resort for marginal authors.
> How can you learn when I say something to someone else?
> Another twist in logic?
Most users have learned how to copy or retransmit messages for informational
purposes.
From ???@??? Mon Oct 14 21:57:05 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1329388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:58:21 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 45MRMLDR; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:45:48 -0400
Resent-From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
Resent-To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Resent-date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:47:40 -0500
X-cs: R
From: Arkadiusz Jadczyk <lark1@ozline.net>
X-RS-ID: <Default>
X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0
X-RS-Header: In-reply-to: <200210141448.g9EEmO705707@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
X-RS-Sigset: -1
To: register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org)
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain
Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:46:57 -0500
Resent-Message-Id: <20021014145821.C1329388364@leap.innerx.net>
X-UIDL: MX6"!4,T!!_*T"!S~n"!
On 14 Oct 2002, at 10:48, register-query for arXiv.org wrote:
> > What is not clear is WHO is revising?
>
> By a committee coordinated by the Cornell University Library.
> You find the two authors distinguishable in some direction, others
> with direct subject matter expertise find them indistinguishable. (We
> note that you are not a regular hep-th contributor.) They appear as
> but two of a large pool here -- typically flagged by reader complaints
> -- encouraged to find alternate outlets. We are instructed that this
> system was never intended as an outlet of last resort for marginal
> authors.
I would appreciate if you can provide me with name of the person to
whom I can complain personally about the way my inquiry is being
processed.
Thank you,
ark
From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 00:33:12 2002
Return-Path: <no-reply@arXiv.org>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu [128.84.154.75])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6912A388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:43:52 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu [132.236.180.11])
by yyy.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9F4VYY12002
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:31:37 -0400
Received: (from e-prints@localhost)
by xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g9F4VVh04780;
Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:31:31 -0400
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:31:31 -0400
Message-Id: <200210150431.g9F4VVh04780@xxx.arxiv.cornell.edu>
Precedence: bulk
X-Note: e-print arXiv software written by PG at LANL (8/91,...,4/99)
X-Supported-By: U.S. National Science Foundation, Agreement 0132355 (7/01-6/04)
From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: RE: arXiv.org policy
X-UIDL: k)J"!J`,"!%I[!!Qn1!!
Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
(In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
will be left unattended.)
Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (Fall 2002) due to an
ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
Thank you for your patience.
From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 00:33:11 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591D1388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:43:46 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.74.68] (dialup-63.210.74.68.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.74.68])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 1929910E2EC; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:41:37 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9d12cfa1131@[65.58.21.138]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, lark1@ozline.net
X-UIDL: O5l!!~;[!!4@?!!8B^"!
Possibly in accord with your request that he "... copy
or retransmit messages for informational purposes. ..."
Arkadiusz Jadcyk has forwarded to me comments
by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern me.
---------------------------------------------------
You say that I am in "... a large pool here -
- typically flagged by reader complaints -
- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".
Please tell me who has complained about me,
and exactly what they have said about me,
and
please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to any such complaints.
---------------------------------------------------
With respect to my posts on the e-print archives since 1993,
you demand specification of "... in what journal "any [of my papers
on the e-print archive]" have been published. ...".
I have NEVER submitted ANY of my papers that are on the e-print
archive to ANY journal,
therefore
it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine how they might have been treated.
Not only is it impossible for me to show that they might
have been reviewed favorably,
it is also impossible for you (or anyone else) to show that
they might have been reviewed unfavorably,
because no such articles have been submitted.
The reasons that I have not submitted those papers for publication
include:
1 - I am self-employed, and do not need citations of publications
for grants or tenure;
2 - I have seen some evidence of arbitrariness in refereeing
processes, and do not wish to get involved in such processes if
I do not have to do so, which I do not because of (1).
3 - Even an optimal journal refereeing and publication process
results in substantial time delay in publication, compared to
the nearly instantaneous posting of papers on the e-print archives;
4 - Most journals require assignment of copyright, which I find
objectionable if I can avoid it, and I can avoid it by posting
on the e-print archives;
5 - My experience as a regular reader of the e-print archives
for many years indicates to me that archived e-prints get a far
wider readership than ANY journal.
I have made no secret of the fact that I have not submitted
any of my archived papers to any journal, and lack of submission
has NOT been a problem for ANY of the over a dozen papers that
have been posted by me to the e-print archive from 1993 to July 2002.
Do you now require that ALL papers posted to the e-print archive
be submitted to refereed journals for publication?
What about contributions to conferences that are not submitted
to journals?
In that connection, I note that the paper that you rejected
in August 2002 when I attempted to post it has in fact been
contributed to a conference, which is Quantum-Mind 2003
at the University of Arizona, which conference has web site at
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 15 October 2002
From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 17:44:00 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DC2388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:54:30 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.19.46] (dialup-65.58.19.46.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.19.46])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id C6B1B10E356; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:22 -0400 (EDT)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9d237dfb9cd@[63.210.74.68]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:43:12 -0400
To: lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: l/U"!"J`"!G-P"!!j;!!
Ark, thanks very much for your efforts with respect to the
e-print archives. I hope you got a copy of the message that
I sent to register-query@arXiv.org last night.
It is very sad to realize that:
1 - Cornell actually maintains a blacklist,
which they describe as "... a large pool here -
- typically flagged by reader complaints - ...";
2 - I am on the blacklist, but have not until now
been told of its existence, or exactly why I was
put on it, or exactly who maintains it; and
3 - the fact that I have never submitted any of my earlier
archived preprints to any journal seems to be being
used as an excuse for Cornell to reject me as an author,
even though
journal submission is apparently NOT a requirement that
other (non-blacklisted) people have to meet to be an author.
Without your persistent inquiries,
I would not now know for sure the truth of those facts.
It seems to me that my .net and alumni e-mail addresses
are NOT the real reason that Cornell is barring me from
authorship, but only excuses they have been using
instead of honestly admitting that they have a blacklist
and that I am on it.
Tony 15 Oct 2002
PS - My apologies for misspelling Jadczyk in the
message I sent last night.
From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 22:11:30 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26740388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:46:55 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (216.136.109.16 [216.136.109.16]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 49SDAKNZ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:34:36 -0400
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:36:32 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3DAC6030.15501.1FDD701@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9d237dfb9cd@[63.210.74.68]>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c)
X-UIDL: 7/;!!QNO!!p&j!!LL`"!
On 15 Oct 2002, at 17:43, Tony Smith wrote:
> Without your persistent inquiries,
> I would not now know for sure the truth of those facts.
Oh, sure they have a black list. There is nothing unusual about it.
The old lanl also used to have a black list. For instance when
somebody would try to post twice essentially the same paper - that
somebody would get on this list. I know about it because I got there
once, when I clicked second time "send" thinking that the first time
it did not go.
It was kind of surprise later on to discover that I was forbidden to
post, and it took two weeks to find out who is in charge, and to
explain the situation.
At cornell it seems now to be impossible to find out who is charge.
Perhaps nobody is. I mean not a souled person. They have "Organic
Portal" in charge of interface with "human beings".
If you can keep some emotional distance, if you can understand that
you are talking to a machine, then it is much easier.
I would strongly suggest that you keep doing what you were doing.
Smart PEOPLE will find your work on the net. And do we care about
machines and Organic Portals?
Best wishes,
ark
P.S. I encourage you to read today's edition of "Signs of the Times"
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/signs.htm
From ???@??? Sat Oct 19 07:34:49 2002
Return-Path: <rickjarosh@earthlink.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7197A388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:01:27 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from dialup-209.246.214.33.dial1.philadelphia1.level3.net ([209.246.214.33] helo=localhost)
by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
id 182pIz-0000yi-00
for tsmith@innerx.net; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:49:57 -0700
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:56:33 -0400
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Subject: Website,Cornell
From: rickjarosh@earthlink.net
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <AA7BEC3C-E340-11D6-BA50-000A27AF51E0@earthlink.net>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480)
X-UIDL: K#~!!C=#"!pX!#!an*!!
I noticed on your homepage that you have considered abandoning it after
disillusionment with the way that Cornell is handling the e-print
archive.Personally I think your site is one of the most colorful and
rigorous on the web-one of the deepest in the many different directions
the mathematics point and various normally unlinked areas of math
physics philosophy interpenetrate.Don't let your actions be determined
by short sighted narrow-minded hypocrites.Unfortunately we live in a
time when individual initiative is viewed with suspicion.I have learned
quite a bit from your site and have only begun to peel away the layers.
Rick
From ???@??? Fri Oct 25 23:15:35 2002
Return-Path: <garysbekkum@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (dav67.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.162.202])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CC238837C
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:42:25 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:32:05 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [216.43.127.148]
From: "Gary S. Bekkum" <garysbekkum@hotmail.com>
To: "Andrei Kirilyuk" <kiril@metfiz.freenet.kiev.ua>
Cc: <tsmith@innerx.net>,
"Carlos (Perelman) Castro" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
References: <l03110700b9df20f21884@[193.193.195.160]>
Subject: Re: Problems with presentation at arXiv.org
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:30:18 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
Message-ID: <DAV67PrrljXp2Kxng0C00006e80@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 17:32:05.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FAE7C60:01C27C4C]
X-UIDL: aS<!!$_l"!TYc"!5HF!!
Dear Andrei, Carlos and Tony,
Regarding the apparent NEW situtation at arXiv.org, I received the following
form Andrei shortly after reading of Tony Smith's recent problems, and of
course Carlos' problems a couple of years ago:
[Andrei Kirilyuk]
> In the meanwhile, there seem to be problems with publication of any
results
> at arXiv.org which I did not see before. The paper I presented more than a
> week ago to quant-ph deals with 'quantum machines', which is another
> application of the same theory involving 'quantum computers', quantum
> chaos, and many-body problem. However, it was rejected by an 'automatic
> server' for some minor formal reasons (like using a public server for
> presentation which I cannot avoid) and my appeal which always worked
before
> in the same situation remains without positive answer. They refer to some
> 'policy reevaluation' as a 'standard' reason for an indefinite delay, but
> all other papers continue to appear within one-two days of their
> presentation, including most exotic servers and amateur scientist works
> with largely varying parameters, as it was always the case before. I am
> apparently 'selected' for an 'inquisition' procedure resembling the
> conventional 'peer-review' tricks in the official journals. They do not
> accept any further appeal in their 'automatic' response (see its copy
> below), so that I am put into an arbitrarily long 'waiting list', while
the
> destiny of my results remains unknown. Is it another manifestation of the
> emerging new 'interpretation' of the 'American democracy'? Do you have any
> idea of how the problem can be solved? The work is rather long, but it
> contains only the detailed version of other my presentations in the same
> archive (quant-ph) to which I explicitly refer in the abstract. Do you
know
> other possibilities for widely accessible publication, either electronic,
> or hard-copy? The Archives have been the best by all properties, but now I
> am not sure and do not know how the honest, unbiased research can
continue.
> Only things which are evidently wrong and unclear can apparently be
> distributed and supported. I try to withstand all the 'ordinary'
> difficulties (like the virtual absence of support for work and living or
> practical impossibility to publish in the official sources), but if any
> presentation of results is prohibited by the 'democratic' system, then it
> looks like the complete 'cut of oxigen'. If you see a solution (or the
fact
> of its absence), please let me know. I still hope that the delay is due to
> some particular feature and can eventually finish positively, but the
facts
> point to the opposite.
>
> And this is the news for the moment.
>
> Yours,
>
> Andrei
Dear Dr. Kirilyuk,
It is nice to hear from you.
Regarding your problems with arXiv.org, you may find Tony Smith's recent
experience enlightening:
Sincerely,
Gary Bekkum
[TONY SMITH]
My unpleasant experience in 2002 with respect to requesting to be registered
as an author in the arxiv.org e-print archives is described here,beginning
with a letter that I drafted on 10 August 2002 for mailing the next business
day (Monday 12 August 2002).
Here is a copy of that letter:
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr.
attorney at law
P. O. Box 370, Cartersville, Georgia 30120
(770) 382-5875
e-mail: tsmith@innerx.net
WWW URL: http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/
10 August 2002
Express Mail No. *EU256905334US*
Re: e-print archive registration request
CU Library Gateway - Re: arXiv.org e-print archives
201 Olin Library
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Enclosed is a copy of my e-mail message to you and to
register-query@arxiv.org sent 10 August 2002, which message is hereby
incorporated herein by reference.
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr.
Here is a copy of the e-mail message that was enclosed:
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:49:49 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: request for registration
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
As you can tell by checking correspondence files over July and August 2002,
I have had complications with respect to attempts to put
papers on the e-print archives.
Eventually my put of
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
was accepted, as was my replacement to correct some material
about the Kobayashi-maskawa phase.
However, my attempt to put my paper TS-QM03-1 entitled
Penrose-Hameroff Quantum Tubulin Electrons,
Chiao Gravity Antennas, and Mead Resonance
was rejected, and even though I sought reconsideration,
and as far as I know it still stands rejected.
In order to resolve the matter of my status with clarity,
and to avoid future complications and perhaps to
expedite your reconsideration of my paper TS-QM03-1
I am sending this my request that I be registered as
an author on the e-print archives.
I did attempt to do so, in connection with my attempt
to put my paper TS-QM03-1, but I received a rejection reply
that said, in part:
"... Your register request has been deferred.
Ordinarily we require an appropriate institutional affiliation
... please use ... your university account.
If you are trying to register from an e-mail account with
a research employer that officially sponsors your work ...
If you have no suitable institutional affiliation,
then please find someone with such an affiliation,
and with expertise in the relevant subject matter,
to sponsor your activities. ...".
I do have a university e-mail account which is
fdtsmith@mail.alumni.princeton.edu
(In fact one reason that I obtained it in July 2002 was to try
to compy with your request that I "use ... [my] university account".)
and
I did use it in my attempt to put up my paper TS-QM03-1
but
since that attempt was rejected,
it must be that for some reason you do not consider it
to be a "university account".
I hereby request that you state your position with respect
to that university account clearly and explicitly.
I am self-employed, and do not have a third party "research employer".
I do not understand exactly what you mean when you say
that I should "find" "someone with such an affiliation"
who is "with expertise in the relevant subject matter"
to "sponsor [my] activities".
More particularly:
Exactly what would "someone" have to do to "sponsor [my] activities" ?
Exactly how much "expertise" would that "someone" have to have with
respect to each paper that I might want to put on the e-print archives ?
For instance, would that require such a "someone" to read in detail,
understand, and effectively referee each such paper ?
Exactly what is "such an affiliation" ?
For instance, would a professorship at an accredited physics
department in a USA university be sufficient, or might there
be other and/or further requirements ?
Exactly what would be involved in my effort to "find" such a
a "someone" ?
Especially, would I be required to pay such a "someone" for
time and effort expended to "sponsor [my] activities" ?
I think that my history of putting papers on the e-print archives
is relevant, so here it is:
When I had the e-mail account gt0109e@prism.gatech.edu at Georgia Tech,
I put up the following papers from Georgia Tech:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9301210
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9302008
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9302030
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9306011
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9402003
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9403007
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9501252
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503009
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9503015
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9512438
After I no longer had a Georgia Tech e-mail account,
I had for a time the account fsmith@pegasus.cau.edu at CTSPS
at Clark Atlanta University, from which I put up the following papers:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/9708379
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/9806023
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9908205
After the CTSPS - Clark Atlanta University account ceased to be
used regularly by me, I had an e-mail discussion with the people
at xxx.lanl.gov which resulted in their telling me:
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:52:32 -0600
> From: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov (www admin for xxx.lanl.gov)
> To: tsmith@innerx.net
> Subject: RE: register
> Cc: www-admin@xxx.lanl.gov
>
> > ould you please tell me why my request to register as
> > an author at gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov was not accepted ?
>
> No registration is required. Just submit by e-mail
> To: gen-ph@xxx.lanl.gov
> Subject: put
> when you have a new submission to make.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
That arrangement, suggested by the people at xxx.lanl.gov,
was at that time satisfactory with me
and pursuant to it I put up the following papers:
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0006041
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0102042
That brings my history to the time of the complications
that I have encountered during July and August 2002.
Since the complications that I have encountered during
July and August 2002 involve whatever policy that you may have
with respect to registration,
and
since your web page at
http://arXiv.org/
states in part "... $This archive is based upon activities
supported by the U.S. National Science Foundation
under Agreement No. 0132355 (7/01-6/04) with Cornell University.$$ ...".
I hereby formally request to be registered as an author
on the e-print archives and that I be given
an author username and password that is as effective
as are most such author usernames and passwords,
and
I also hereby formally request that you send to me a
complete statement of any policy or policies that you
may have with respect to registration, as well as copies
of all documentation in your posession or control (including
electronic documentation) relative to such policy or policies
and the formulation of such policy or policies.
I further formally request that you preserve all such documentation
for at least the balance of the calendar year 2002, and perhaps
longer if circumstances warrant.
Since the web page at
http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/manntom2.cgi?section=networked&U
RL=g
ateway.html
lists the CU Library Gateway e-Reference Collection as including
"... arXiv.org e-print archive ..."
I am sending a copy of this messaage to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
and a paper printout copy of this message by US mail addressed to:
CU Library Gateway Re: arXiv.org e-print archive
201 Olin
Library
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Frank D. (Tony) Smith, Jr. 10 August 2002
On 8 September 2002 I received a rejection message from
register-query@arXiv.org (register-query for arXiv.org) that said:
"... Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation. ...
Moreover
the nature of your former use of institional e-mail accounts is unclear.
...
This is no longer xxx.lanl.gov, so the history is not strictly relevant.
...
There is no evidence that any of these [papers that I had put up
since 1993] has been considered peer-reviewable by a conventional journal
...
The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
That is what sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject matter
means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
your activities.
Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom
of the queue, and take that much longer to receive response. ...".
On 10 September 2002 I made some efforts to obtain a sponsor for me to
become a registered author on the e-print archive. I went to Georgia Tech
and talked to my friend and former teacher, professor David Finkelstein, but
he was not enthusiastic, saying that he did not understand all the aspects
of my D4-D5-E6-E7-E8 VoDou Physics model. He did not directly say "No.",
saying that he would think about it, but I could tell that he really did not
want to get involved in my work to the extent of being a sponsor. I then had
another idea, which I proposed by e-mail to Stuart Hameroff. Early on 11
September 2002 I received his reply, which was, with my message quoted below
it:
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:39:46 -0700
From: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
Subject: RE: e-print archive authorship
To: "Tony Smith" <tsmith@innerx.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: UofA Webmail
X-Originating-IP: 195.101.217.200
Dear Tony
Roger is so busy that I hesitate to contact him about anything, including
our collaboration. I can almost assure you that he would not be interested,
with no aspersions on your work.
There must be someone you know who would do it.
Good luck
Stuart
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:15:39 -0400
>To: hameroff@email.arizona.edu
>From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
>Subject: e-print archive authorship
>Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
>
>
>As you recommeded to me in e-mail messages back around 8 August 2002,
>I have been in discussion with arXiv.org to try to get them to
>register me as an author and to put up my paper that I have contributed
>to Quantum Mind 2003. As I indicated in an earlier message to you,
>I have put a pdf version of the paper on the web at
>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QM03.pdf
>
>After about a month or so, I have received a message from
>register-query@arXiv.org
>that rejected my attempt to be registered as an author and
>to put up that paper on the gen-ph e-print archive.
>
>The rejection message said, in part:
>"... The policy here is to restrict submissions to those that would
>be considered peer-reviewable by conventional journals.
>That is what sponsorship by someone with expertise in the subject matter
>means in your case, without a suitable institutional sponsorship for
>your activities. ...".
>Therefore,
>it seems to me that to be registered as an author under the
>rules of arXiv.org as it is now being administered
>by Cornell, which rules seem to be different from the rules
>when xxx.lanl.gov at Los Alamos was administering the archive,
>the change having taken place within the past year,
>I must find a respected physicist at a respected university
>who will review my body of work (I have somewhat over a dozen
>papers that were put on the archive under Los Alamos administration)
>and
>then certify to the Cornell administrators at register-query@arXiv.org
>that they will sponsor my activities, including being an author
>on the archive.
>
>I am uncertain as to how I should proceed.
>Today I discussed the possibility of sponsorship with
>my former teacher, David Finkelstein, but, although he
>said that he would think about it, it was clear to me
>that he was uncomfortable with sponsoring me, in part
>because, as he said, he does not fully understand my work.
>
>A possible approach that came to my mind is that,
>since the paper in question is a quantum consciousness paper,
>and since it is based on the work of you and Roger Penrose,
>and since you are technically a M.D. instead of a physicist,
>that Roger Penrose might be a logical person to evaluate my work.
>
>On the one hand, I recognize that Roger Penrose has his own
>work to do and is very likely too busy to study my work,
>but
>on the other hand, he is at Oxford where there are many highly
>intelligent doctoral students and post-docs,
>so
>I thought that perhaps he could ask a student or post-doc to
>look at my body of work and make an evaluation that he could
>use in making a determination of my fitness to be an author
>on the e-print archive.
>
>Instead of reviewing all my papers (over a dozen),
>I suggest that the most recent one on particle physics might
>give a reviewing student or post-doc enough information to evaluate
>my work. That paper is at
>http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0207095
>and
>I think that it and my consciousness paper taken together
>constitute a fairly representative sample of my work.
>
>If you think that might be a good idea, please feel free to
>forward this message to Roger Penrose along with any comments
>that you might have.
>
>Also, if Roger Penrose were to agree to that proposal,
>please let him know that I would be willing to go to
>Oxford at my expense at some mutually agreeable date
>to confer with any student or post-doc who might find
>discussion with me helpful in making such an evaluation.
>
>Whether or not you agree with the above idea,
>I thank you very much for your work and ideas,
>and I look forward to seeing you in March 2003.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Tony Smith 10 September 2002
Unfortunately, even after a lot of serious thought, I cannot think of anyone
I "... know who would do it. ...". Therefore, I am reconciling myself to the
fact that I have been excluded from authorship on the e-print archives by
its administrators at Cornell. I do not expect to do any more
internet-related work. However, I expect to leave my web site at innerx.net
on the web substantially as of 11 September 2002, with few additions other
than errror corrections.
After a friend of mine asked the Cornell e-print archives some questions
about my situation, I received copies of some of the statements of the
Cornell e-print archives concerning me, and I then sent an e-mail message to
register-query@arXiv.org that said:
"... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
...
... Possibly in accord with your request that he "... copy
or retransmit messages for informational purposes. ..."
...[a friend of mine]... has forwarded to me comments
by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern me.
---------------------------------------------------
You say that I am in "... a large pool here -
- typically flagged by reader complaints -
- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".
Please tell me who has complained about me,
and exactly what they have said about me,
and
please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to any such complaints.
---------------------------------------------------
With respect to my posts on the e-print archives since 1993,
you demand specification of "... in what journal "any [of my papers
on the e-print archive]" have been published. ...".
I have NEVER submitted ANY of my papers that are on the e-print
archive to ANY journal,
therefore
it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine how they might have been treated.
Not only is it impossible for me to show that they might
have been reviewed favorably,
it is also impossible for you (or anyone else) to show that
they might have been reviewed unfavorably,
because no such articles have been submitted.
The reasons that I have not submitted those papers for publication
include:
1 - I am self-employed, and do not need citations of publications
for grants or tenure;
2 - I have seen some evidence of arbitrariness in refereeing
processes, and do not wish to get involved in such processes if
I do not have to do so, which I do not because of (1).
3 - Even an optimal journal refereeing and publication process
results in substantial time delay in publication, compared to
the nearly instantaneous posting of papers on the e-print archives;
4 - Most journals require assignment of copyright, which I find
objectionable if I can avoid it, and I can avoid it by posting
on the e-print archives;
5 - My experience as a regular reader of the e-print archives
for many years indicates to me that archived e-prints get a far
wider readership than ANY journal.
I have made no secret of the fact that I have not submitted
any of my archived papers to any journal, and lack of submission
has NOT been a problem for ANY of the over a dozen papers that
have been posted by me to the e-print archive from 1993 to July 2002.
Do you now require that ALL papers posted to the e-print archive
be submitted to refereed journals for publication?
What about contributions to conferences that are not submitted
to journals?
In that connection, I note that the paper that you rejected
in August 2002 when I attempted to post it has in fact been
contributed to a conference, which is Quantum-Mind 2003
at the University of Arizona, which conference has web site at
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2/ ".
I have not (as of 22 October 2002) received any reply from Cornell. It makes
me sad to realize that:
Cornell actually maintains a blacklist, which they describe as "... a large
pool here - typically flagged by reader complaints - ...";
I am on the blacklist, but have not until now been told of its existence,
and have yet to be told exactly why I was put on it, or exactly who
maintains it; and
the fact that I have never submitted any of my earlier archived preprints to
any journal seems to be being used as an excuse for Cornell to reject me as
an author, even though journal submission is apparently NOT a requirement
that other (non-blacklisted) people have to meet to be registered as an
author.
In my opinion, the real reason that Cornell has blacklisted me is that Paul
Ginsparg dislikes me because in the year 2000 I supported a friend of mine
in a controversy involving the e-print archives, then being administered by
Los Alamos.
The next year, 2001, Paul Ginsparg was made a Professor of Physics at
Cornell University. According to an e-print archive web page:
"... 4 Sep 2001 Administrative oversight for arXiv operations transferred to
the Cornell University Library (CUL) ...
... 13 Dec 2001 arXiv.org main site hardware operations transferred to the
Cornell University Library site cul.arXiv.org = xxx.arXiv.cornell.edu ...".
According to a September 2001 article in Physics Today by Toni Feder:
"... The electronic preprint server that revolutionized communication among
physicists moved in late summer from Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL)
to Cornell University, along with its creator, string theorist Paul
Ginsparg, who has taken a joint position in physics and computer information
science. ... Martin Blume, editor of the American Physical Society (APS)
journals ... says ... "I won't say Paul was unappreciated at Los Alamos, but
what he did was peripheral, whereas now he'll be at the center of things."
... Ginsparg ... says ... "At a weapons lab, a project like this has never
been central to the overall mission," says Ginsparg, adding that "middle
managerial pettiness and small-mindedness" were "pertinent" to his decision
to leave. ... Cornell librarian Sarah Thomas ... says ... "The archive is a
highly successful model of how a community looks at research in its field.
It's become very timely, and very democratic. ...".
In light of being blacklisted by Cornell, I find it quite ironic that
Cornell had been bragging about the e-print archives being "very
democratic".
My opinion that Cornell did not blacklist me because I don't submit papers
to refereed journals is supported by something that Paul Ginsparg wrote on
19 April 1995: "... Some measure of the success of e-print archives is
given, first, by widespread testaments from users that they find it an
indispensable research tool - effectively eliminating their reliance on
conventional print journals (and some report no longer submitting to
journals, either because they have unconsciously forgotten, since the
information is already communicated, or because they have consciously chosen
not to deal with a tedious and seemingly unnecessary process ...".
Also, my use of a .net e-mail address does not seem to me to be a consistent
reason for Cornell to blacklist me, because, according to an e-print archive
web page: "... Distribution according to e-mail domain of submitting author
of all 134945 submissions received during the five year period 1 Jan 97
through 31 Dec 01 ...[was]...
34109: edu = US Educational ...
1058: org = Non-Profit ...
939: com = US Commercial ...
259: mil = US Military ...
177: net = Network ..."
so that the total number of .net submissions is more than ten times greater
than the number of my .net submissions.
It is interesting to me that at about the same time that Cornell was
blacklisting me, Ginsparg received what is commonly called a MacArthur
Genius Award. According to a 25 September 2002 AP article in The New York
Times: "... The list of 24 fellows announced Wednesday by the John D. and
Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. Each will receive $500,000 over five
years: ... Paul Ginsparg, 46, Ithaca, N.Y.; professor of physics and
computing and information science at Cornell University who created a
computer-based system for physicists and other scientists to share their
research results. ...".
Despite my unhappiness at being blacklisted by Cornell, I think that, not
only should Ginsparg have won a MacArthur award, but that:
he should have been awarded it back in 1991 when he was 35 years old just
starting the e-print archives, and
the award should have not been for $100,000 a year for 5 years, but should
have been $100,000 a year for life in 1991 dollars adjusted for inflation,
plus any reasonable amount needed to purchase computers and other equipment
related to the e-print archive.
An earlier and larger award would have been (in my opinion) much closer to
the intent of the MacArthurs:
"... that money should be set aside to allow truly creative individuals the
free time to be alone and think. ... Recipients should be left alone without
the annoyances and distractions imposed by grant applications, reviewing
committees, and pressure to publish ...".
I think that the way the MacArthur awards are implemented, being given by a
committee as rewards for prior work and being limited to five years, is a
sad distortion of the true intent of John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur.
For instance, a January 1996 capitalresearch.org web article by Martin Morse
Wooster says:
"... The MacArthur Fellows Program is a relatively small part of ... the
John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur ... Foundation's activities ... When the
first MacArthur Fellows were announced in 1981 ... The New Republic's
Michael Kinsley ... noted ... "Not one of the first MacArthur fellows is
suffering from lack of recognition for his or her talents ... What's more,
not one really faces financial obstacles in exercising his or her
creativity. They are already doing whatever it is the MacArthur Foundation
admires them for doing; many are already doing quite well at it, and
presumably they will keep on doing it, unless this windfall encourages them
to stop." Moreover, Kinsley argued, the MacArthur Fellows program
contradicted the "rugged individualism" inherent in the life of John D.
MacArthur, a heroic entrepreneur who began his career penniless and died a
billionaire, never receiving a grant from anyone. ... the MacArthur Fellows
program has changed remarkably little between 1981 and today. ...
... Within a few weeks after John D. MacArthur's death in 1978, ... son J.
Roderick "Rod" MacArthur ... had perfected the idea of the MacArthur
Fellowships and had recommended that they be the primary purpose of the John
D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. ... the MacArthur Foundation did
resist two of [Rod] MacArthur's ideas, awarding lifetime fellowships and
tying the list of recipients to a list of world problems the foundation
wanted to solve. ...
... One-third of MacArthur recipients are over age 50, and when Roy Hoopes
interviewed some of them for Modern Maturity, he found that the major effect
of the MacArthurs was to act as a credential that generated more income from
lecture fees and other assignments. Some of the people Hoopes interviewed
regretted that they did not receive the award when they were younger and
hungrier. ...".
A more timely and generous MacArthur award would have been helpful to
Ginsparg and the e-print archives in their earlier years. As Ginsparg wrote
on 19 April 1995: "... hep-th@xxx.lanl.gov, the e-mail address for the first
of a series of automated archives for electronic communication of research
information, went on-line starting in August, 1991. ... The system
originally ran as a background job on a small Unix workstation (a 25 MHz
NeXTstation with a 68040 processor purchased for roughly $5k in 1991) which
was primarily used for other purposes by another member of my research
group, and placed no noticeable drain on cpu resources. The system has since
been moved to an HP 9000/735 that sits exiled on the floor under a table in
a corner. ... While it long remained a spare-time project with little
financial or logistical support, as of 1 Mar 1995 it is supported by the
U.S. National Science Foundation under Agreement No. 9413208. ...".
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Dr. Andriy P. Kyrylyuk (Andrei Kirilyuk), Senior Research Scientist
>
> AFFILIATION:
> Solid State Theory Departement, Institute of Metal Physics
> of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine,
> prospect Vernadskogo 36, GSP Kiev-142, Ukraine 03142
>
> ADDRESS FOR CORRESPONDENCE:
> A.P. Kyrylyuk
> Post Box 115
> Kiev-30
> Ukraine 01030
>
> TEL: (00)-(380-44)-450-29-31 FAX: (00)-(380-44)-244-91-45
> E-mail: kiril@metfiz.freenet.kiev.ua
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:06:29 -0400
> From: no-reply@arXiv.org (send mail ONLY to register-query)
> Reply-To: register-query@arXiv.org
> To: kiril@metfiz.freenet.kiev.ua
> Subject: RE: Automatic rejection from quant-ph: urgent help is needed
>
> Your register query has been received and will be given due consideration.
> Pending registration queries are reviewed weekly.
> Further action is neither necessary nor helpful to speed up the process.
> (In particular, e-mail to the www-admin address about registration issues
> will be left unattended.)
>
> Responses are unavoidably slow during this period (Fall 2002) due to an
> ongoing reevaluation of registration policies.
> Thank you for your patience.
>
From ???@??? Fri Oct 25 23:15:45 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f124.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.124])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9063A388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:54:07 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:43:50 -0700
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:43:48 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: garysbekkum@hotmail.com, kiril@metfiz.freenet.kiev.ua,
hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, a_schoeller@hotmail.com,
lantzmiller@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Problems with presentation at arXiv.org
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:43:48 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F124z176RbFGIUUJlNK00013585@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 23:43:50.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E807450:01C27C80]
X-UIDL: A/##!L0B"!P&e"!;F+#!
Dear Gary, Andrei and Tony ( Alfred, Haret and Lantz ) :
Thank you so much for your recent and lenghty e-mail about the horrible
situation
about censorship at Los Alamos.
The only way I am able to post papers at the hep-th/archives is by
submitting them from
different accounts all over the world. In this case it avoids the robot
censorship.
If Andrei's work is being censored is due, most probably, to the
interference of other hostile scientists who have contacted Ginsparg , or
other people, at Los Alamos and ask him ( them ) to censor Andrei's work.
This is what happened to me when the Editorial Board of Nuclear Physics B ,
and the string community at Cambridge University, contacted Los Alamos to
sabotage the Extended Relativity Theory and prevent it from being made
public.
Andrei has to make a list in his head of WHO will be more likely to try to
sabotage his work . I wouldn't be surprised if these people are the ones who
contacted Los Alamos in order to censor his work.
I did not know of Tony's recent problems either !!! I am so sorry
about this . I have noticed also that David Finkelstein has been extemely
skeptic about my work. I have a paper on the logarithmic corrections to
the Black Hole area-entropy relation using Clifford algebras that was
accepted by the TWO referees of Foundations of Physics and was rejected by
David ( or by his post-doc ) using the typical one line
excuse, DEVOID of any scientific content whatsoever.
I had a paper published in Physics Letters B and another in Physical Review
D ....Of course, I had to disguise the words " Extended Relativity ( New
Relativity ) " and paraphrase them using a tottaly different language so
the referee would not suffer an attack of Viennese allergy agaist the New
Relativity.
I have not heard from Tony in a while. I hope he is okay. I will read again
your lengthy e-mail Stay in touch.
You have to post your work from different e-mail accounts.
The sad thing is that the New York times; The American Civil Liberties Union
; the Attorney General Office in Washington.... did NOT give a damn about
the censorship I experienced in Los Alamos .
Lantz Miller gave a lecture presentation about censorship at Los Alamos in
Trenton, New Jersey in front of 50 people at a conference on " Migration of
Ideas " . The audience was SHOCKED in disbelief.
But as Alfred put it so eloquently :
" Dear so and so, we , the New York Times , the Attorney General Office ,
the Vienna District court, ........have acknowledged the receipt of your
complaints about censorhip, plagiarism in Science, the cruel treatment you
received , .......etc... but WHO CARES ???
You see, our problems are not " Marketable" , the do not have a " hook "
....so newspapers and the news media do not give a shit about us and about
the terrible injustices that some of us have endured. It does not SELL , so
they do not care.
Post your work from different e-mail accounts. And use all your energies to
do great science. Otherwise this fight will end up poisining you. This is
what I learnt from my ordeals.
Of course, eventually , the word will spread and NO longer we will be able
to use different accounts because the Los Alamos crowd will REMOVE MANUALLY
the papers after seeing the names of Castro et al ...
Hurry up and do it soon before it is too late. Then we will have to assume
pseudonyms....
Best wishes
Carlos Castro Perelman
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Fri Oct 25 23:15:46 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f10.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA997388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:08:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:58:26 -0700
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:58:26 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: garysbekkum@hotmail.com, kiril@metfiz.freenet.kiev.ua,
hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, a_schoeller@hotmail.com,
lantzmiller@hotmail.com, maribel_handy@yahoo.com,
carlos_handy@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: MacArthur Awards
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:58:26 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F10bpiGOTsg3MeqLAkk00010d32@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 23:58:26.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[68D70570:01C27C82]
X-UIDL: a'_"!TZ8"!BnS!!jfQ!!
Dear Gary, Andrei and Tony ( Alfred, Haret and Lantz ) :
Dear friends :
You must be JOKING in saying that Paul Ginsparg has been granted a MacArthur
Award for 500, 000 $ ,...
he has NOT DONE ANY PHYSICS in 10 years !!!!
He is an asshole on top of that.
This has to be a mistake
Best wishes
Carlos Castro Perelman
_________________________________________________________________
Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.Ý Try MSN!
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
From ???@??? Sun Oct 27 23:49:43 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.166])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202C8388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:48:10 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:38:14 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:38:14 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net,
handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
Cc: lantzmiller@hotmail.com, carlos_handy@yahoo.com,
jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Paul Ginparg and McArthur
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:38:14 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F166OsPTQxHgnfOHrdZ0000877b@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2002 23:38:14.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5623B0:01C27E11]
X-UIDL: #]5"!C7B!!d,Y"!Gof!!
Dear Friends :
It is an unjust world. Ginsparg has NOT done any physics in the past
10-11 years. Nothing worthwhile.
What he did at Harvard was done with Greg Moore and Cumrum Vafa ( an
iranian, I know him from MIT ).
Nothing orginally of his own making. You can look up his publicatons.
Bullshit . It is all a fake. He gets so much money already from the NSF,
Cornell, ....etc......
why does he need more money from the McArthur foundation ???
It is so unjust to receive 500, 000 $ for being an asshole.
The reason Tony Smith is being banned from Los Alamos now is because he
HELPED me two years ago against Ginsparg. Tony Smith is a lawyer and
scientist. This is why Tony is being screwed now.
It is disgusting and disgraceful that Tony cannot post papers in Los Alamos.
I am so sorry for Tony. He helped me and now he is in the Black list.
He has to post his papers from different e-mail accounts like I do now.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Get faster connectionsÝ-- switch toÝMSN Internet Access!
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
From ???@??? Mon Oct 28 00:40:34 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822C0388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:48:34 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.75.168] (dialup-63.210.75.168.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.75.168])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 8673010E319; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:46:52 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9e272a6359b@[63.210.74.156]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:40:14 -0500
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: MacArthur
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, a_schoeller@hotmail.com,
handyman@ctsps.cau.edu, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
carlos_handy@yahoo.com, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
X-UIDL: ;)E!!V1$#!gA<!!O\k!!
Carlos, thanks very much for your thoughts and support.
As to Ginsparg getting a MacArthur award now,
it is sad. In fact, the entire MacArthur award system is sad.
In my opinion, the true intent of the MacArthurs when they
set up the awards was that unknown people who could not
get support through conventional channels would be supported
for life to do work. That way, maybe some awards would not
turn out well, but if a few Michaelangelos were freed to do
whatever they wanted, then civilization might advance.
However, sadly, the MacArthurs did not control the foundation
that they set up, but control was (and is) with bureaucratic
committees. These committees are made up of establishment
people (Murray Gell-Mann is one) who did not want to fund
unknowns who might do really great stuff, and did not want
to make anybody independent of the dominant system of grants
and jobs that constitute establishment physics (and other fields).
Therefore,
the bureaucratic committees emasculated the MacArthur awards,
making them rewards for past work instead of a means to do future work,
and making them 5-year limited grants instead of lifetime support,
so that no one winning would be made truly independent.
This did away with what I call the TRUE MacArthur award idea,
and replaced it with the Present-Day-Bureacratic MadcArthur award.
Ironically, I think that it would have been appropriate to
give a TRUE MacArthur grant to Ginsparg back in 1991 when
he first started setting up the archives and needed some
money and support for computers and such.
Unfortunately, he did not get a TRUE MacArthur back then (nobody did,
thanks to the bureaucratic committees),
and now he only has the sadly distorted Present-Day-Bureaucratic award.
I put some stuff about my opinion of the MacArthur award on a web
page that I put up about Ginsparg's blacklisting me at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#GinspargCornell
Another interesting aspect of the affair is that Cornell has
been critcal of me for not submitting papers to the
conventional refereeing system,
when the sad state of the conventional refereeing system
is shown very clearly by the recent Bogdanov affair
(in which they wrote up nonsense papers using lots
of string theory etc terminology and got them published
in conventional journals as a hoax to show how bad
the system has become)
that I describe to some extent (with some links to
more details) at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#BogdanovRefereedPublications
One facet of the Bogdanov affair is the apparent (to me) inability of
a New York Times science reporter to evaluate for himself
whether or not their papers were nonsense hoaxes.
As I understand it, based on what I have read about it,
when the Bogdanovs denied the papers were hoaxes (their denial
being part of the pattern of the hoaxes),
the New York Times reporter had so little common sense and
independent judgement that he dropped the story
because he could not figure out that the papers were hoaxes.
By the way, you mentioned Cumrum Vafa. I met him at a physics
meeting at Baylor a few weeks ago, and he seemed to be a very
nice person, teaching at Harvard and interested in interesting math,
and helping his wife with their 3 young children.
Tony 28 Oct 2002
PS to Carlos Handy - The reason that I have not asked for
help of CTSPS with respect to my problems with Cornell
is that I am afraid that if you and CTSPS were to try
to sponsor me, then not only would Ginsparg and Cornell
find some excuse to keep me blacklisted, but they would
also (in my opinion, based on the threats Ginsparg made
back in 2000 about cutting off all Clark Atlanta access)
they would try to use any connection with me as an excuse
to attack you and CTSPS, and I do not want to have that happen.
From ???@??? Mon Oct 28 10:26:42 2002
Return-Path: <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f83.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.83])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85529388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:09:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:59:52 -0800
Received: from 193.154.4.15 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:59:51 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [193.154.4.15]
From: "alfred schoeller" <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, perelmanc@hotmail.com
Cc: handyman@ctsps.cau.edu, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
carlos_handy@yahoo.com, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: MacArthur
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:59:51 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F83pkNzPZrIkyPzGNso000001b0@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2002 06:59:52.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D355730:01C27E4F]
X-UIDL: Ln$!!KOe"!WlR"!YL$"!
Dear friends:
I am an aging, stranded molecular biologist (twice kicked out of
universities under threat of police force - I can justify everything I did;
I doubt the university professors could do) who never accomplished anything
of significance in science (I never had a job for more than two years in a
row; so how is someone supposed to excel in experimental research?). WHAT I
AM READING HERE IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!
About a year ago I tried to introduce Carlos to the physics community in
Vienna with the effect that we received offensive e-mails with the
proposition that Carlos is a crank and has not published in peer reviewed
journals (which is an easily disprovable lie!)- the sentence spoken by
professors who have much less published than Carlos and in my opinion would
not be able to understand his math. Even worse in one e-mail Prof. Urbantke
tried to forbid Carlos explicitly to give a talk about his extended scale
relativity in Mistelbach (my home town). WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT???? There
have been well received talks about witchcraft and magicians in Mistelbach!
Why someone is not allowed to talk about physics????
The entire story is disturbing me. Censorship in Austria is present
everywhere. The corrupt European Community Council with its news media is
manipulating my country at all levels, I guess even physics. When the
intelligence subdues our future will be bleak: a new dark age of ignorance
and "slavery" for the masses.
Alfred
ps.: If I can help you in any way, please, do not hesitate to contact me in
Mistelbach.
_________________________________________________________________
Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
From ???@??? Mon Oct 28 10:26:43 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EE4388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:12:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:02:52 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:02:51 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net,
handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
Cc: lantzmiller@hotmail.com, carlos_handy@yahoo.com,
jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Shameful
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:02:51 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F57BQQavd4RVs5ko0rc00016a77@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2002 09:02:52.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBC1EF80:01C27E60]
X-UIDL: )TU!!]!1!!\'0!!_d3!!
Dear Friends :
I just came back from watching a documentary in Santa Barbara about the
war-photographer James Nachtwey, who for the past 20 years haas travelled
war-zones and created heart-breaking pictures of
man' s cruelty to man. How can humans do such horrible things to other
humans ?
When the Ginspargs of the world involve in censorship they are in a sense
committing intellectual murder. Not only they are depriving us of our
livelyhood, like they did to Alfred in Vienna,
but they are killing our spirit. Censorship is intellectual murder.
To ban Tony from posting his papers in Los Alamos because he helped me
against Ginsparg
in my fight two years ago is CRIMINAL .
One again, I suggest to Tony to use all his great intelligence , energy
.... to create wonderful science by posting his papers in Los Alamos from
other e-mail accounts. Have a friend post them for him, like Jorge has been
posting my recent papers in Los Alamos from his Medellin account.
I have lost respect for Gell-Mann, especially when my colleagues in Spain
informed me that he has been receiving 50, 000 $ per year from Spanish
Grant money for years, and yeras, and has done nothing. The only thing the
has done is to do Publicity for a grant project by a Spanish scientist ,
Perez Mercader, who keeps getting money from Spain be saying that he, Perez
Mercader, " is working with the great Gell-Mann on ....... "
And Gell-Mann, and the like, sit in McArhur committee chairs... How much
money is he getting from them ????? Disgraceful !
We have to keep working very hard , post the papers from other e-mail
accounts and , sadly enough, forget about the Ginspargs and Gell-Manns of
this world. Thinking too much about injustices can kill you.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 07:37:10 2002
Return-Path: <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.171])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25466388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:01:36 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:51:52 -0800
Received: from 193.154.4.15 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:51:48 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [193.154.4.15]
From: "alfred schoeller" <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, perelmanc@hotmail.com
Cc: a_schoeller@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MacArthur
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:51:48 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F1718aGrLhQ9Ei2TYci00017733@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2002 08:51:52.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CF0E060:01C27F28]
X-UIDL: 0^R"!HVj!!?0;"!T/b!!
Dear Tony!
I know Carlos now for almost about 15 years; that is why I am sometimes
included in some of the mass mailings.
I read your e-mail and your homepage very carefully. I am not in a position
to judge the quality of your physics. But a have a copy of Ginsparg¥s letter
to Clark Atlanta University (terming Carlos a nut).
Citation from the net:
"The MacArthur awards, popularly known as "genius awards," are intended to
encourage innovation. "We are committed to nurturing those who are a source
of new knowledge and ideas, have the courage to challenge inherited
orthodoxies and to take intellectual, scientific and cultural risks,"
Jonathan F. Fanton, president of the foundation, said in announcing this
year's awards".
The statement of Mr. Fanton IS ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE LIES I HAVE HEARD
OFF IN SCIENCE. Why we do not send the e-mail of Ginsparg (only Carlos could
do that) to Mr. Fanton and at the same time to the New York Times asking if
in modern physics 2 plus 2 is five?
Einstein was a patent office employee who now could not submit his paper on
the theory of relativity to the Xarchives because he would not have a
"political correct" e-mail account. This is not only crazy, but against
democracy and the "liberty of natural sciences".
I am a small lab technician (despite my ph.D.) trying to make a living, so
my voice nobody would hear. Nevertheless I will try to support you in your
struggle as much as I can. Academia has destroyed myself a long time ago. It
is hard for a potential gifted scientist who understands both worlds
(material and ideal) to be torn to pieces by what might be the new ethics of
science: TO EAT OR TO BE EATEN. Alfred
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls!ÝGet MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 08:27:47 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D495D388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:59:32 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.222] (dialup-209.246.176.222.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.222])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 332A010E2DD; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:57:55 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9e4329f1e9e@[209.246.176.158]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:50:52 -0500
To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: MacArthur
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: K6:!!nJ?!!n<9"!J8Z"!
Thanks very much for your e-mail message of support.
I think that contacting the New York Times is probably
hopeless because Carlos has already tried that, and
they paid no attention. Also, from what I have seen
lately, it seems to me that New York Times science
reporters generally rely on establishment opinions,
such as opinions of Ginsparg himself, and are unable
or unwilling to make independent judgments on their own.
In other words, with respect to matters such as this,
the New York Times (and therefore much of the US press
and media, which follow it) is more a tool of the
established status quo than an instrument of change.
However, I do thank you very much for your message,
because an voice of reason such as yours lets me know
that no matter how bad things are with establishment
grants, awards, refereeing, and access to archives,
there are some people in the world with commmon sense,
and maybe some day more people will get commmon sense.
Thanks again.
Tony 29 Oct 2002
From ???@??? Sat Nov 02 08:05:13 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.68])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F8E388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:21:49 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:08:59 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:08:59 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net,
lantzmiller@hotmail.com, handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
Cc: hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com,
boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Re: Schocking Historical Facts
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:08:59 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F68MOXSvwPJx4dMQwJ9000111d7@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2002 23:08:59.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A07E2D0:01C27FA0]
X-UIDL: &NI"!-#O"!^/2"!RmI"!
Status: RO
Dear Alfred and Tony and friends :
Perhaps you already know of this REAL historical event that has remained
hidden for more than 50 years.
At least it was hidden from me....
There is a book that just came out by Jan Gross documenting what happened in
ONE single summer day in 1941, in the town of Jedwabne, northeast of
Warsaw.
In that summer day of July 1941, 1600 men, women and children, all Jewish,
were brutally massacred by their own neighbors. It was NOT done be faceless
Nazis, no, no.... but by Polish villagers.
1600 Jewish people were all murdered by their own " friends " , " neighbors
" who knew them very well for years and years. Only 7 Jews survived and
escaped the massacre.
The book has schocked Poland...It says also that this event was NOT isolated
during the War.
It happened in other towns. Not in such big scale. No Nuremberg trials for
these Poles ......
So the Nazis were not the only ones killing Jews in masses.
What can we expect from the " human " race ????
What Gisnparg has done now , by banning Tony from posting papers in Los
Alamos because he helped me in the past, in my struggle against Los Alamos,
is horrible.
Not as horrible as what happened in Poland. But it exemplifies what a
rotten world we live in.
Giving a 500,000 $ McArthur grant to Ginsparg is another horrible
injustice.
Tony will have to post his papers from another e-mail account. Like I have
done. Like I am doing now.
This is the only solution I see.
What else can he do ? When I spoke with John Sullivan from The New York
Times ,
at his Trenton, New Jersey, office, he said " yes , go ahead and fax me
your story about Gisnparg ... "
What did the New York times do ? ?? A few months later, in May 1 , there
was a two page article in the NYT, Science Section, praising Ginsparg for
creating a " democratic " electronic archive ......
The American Civil Liberties Union did nothing; like the Attorney General
Office in Washington, etc....
Lantz is the one who could write something about this story since he is very
well informed of what happened to me and has ALL the documents. He should
include as well the banning of Tony from
Los Alamos , Andrei Kiriluyk's banning from Los Alamos; Alfred's case
in Austria ......
and the wealth of information provided by Tony.
I wonder how many of us are in the Black List. Perhaps it would not be a
bad idea to gather of all of us to collect some signatures and send
*collective* e-mails to *everybody*, like Armando suggested once.
I think MOST of you here have ALL been victims of terrible injustices from
members of the world of Academia. From members who are thirsty for
political power and money.
The book by Jan Gross has come out in paperback. The title is " Neighbors
..."
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.Ý Join now!
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 22:13:09 2002
Return-Path: <baez@math.ucr.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from POMELO.UCR.EDU (pomelo.ucr.edu [138.23.225.72])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0E4388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:04:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from math-ws-n09.ucr.edu ([138.23.202.159]) by tangerine.ucr.edu
with ESMTP for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:52:40 -0800
Received: (from baez@localhost)
by math-ws-n09.ucr.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g9U2SaZ19321;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:28:36 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:28:36 -0800 (PST)
From: baez@math.ucr.edu
Message-Id: <200210300228.g9U2SaZ19321@math-ws-n09.ucr.edu>
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: Quantum Mind Conference
In-Reply-To: <62bd264b.0210281113.30744c9c@posting.google.com>
Organization: UCR Computing and Communications
Cc:
X-UIDL: aT9"!1g0!!Ei8"!^=d!!
Did you get any help from Penrose on this "academic sponsor"
business? If not, you may find some likeminded soul here:
>Second Announcement and Call for Papers
>
>Quantum Mind 2003
>Consciousness, Quantum Physics and the Brain
>
>March 15-19, 2003,
>Tucson Convention Center and Leo Rich Theater
>The University of Arizona
>www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2
>
>
>Could quantum information be the key to understanding consciousness?
>Will the study of consciousness enable quantum information technology?
>
>The nature of consciousness and its place in the universe remain
>mysterious. Classical models view consciousness as computation among
>the brain's neurons but fail to address its enigmatic features. At the
>same time quantum processes (superposition of states, nonlocality,
>entanglement,) also remain mysterious, yet are being harnessed in
>revolutionary information technologies (quantum computation, quantum
>cryptography and quantum teleportation.)
>
>A relation between consciousness and quantum effects has been pondered
>for nearly a century, and in the past decades quantum processes in the
>brain have been invoked as explanations for consciousness and its
>enigmatic features.
>Critics deride this comparison as a mere "minimization of mysteries"
>and quickly point out that the brain is too warm for quantum
>computation, which in the technological realm requires extreme cold to
>avoid "decoherence" (i.e. the loss of seemingly delicate quantum
>states by interaction with the environment.)
>
>However quantum computation would surely be advantageous from an
>evolutionary perspective, and biology has had 4 billion years to solve
>the decoherence problem and evolve quantum mechanisms. Furthermore,
>recent experimental evidence indicates quantum non-locality occurring
>in conscious and subconscious brain function, and functional quantum
>processes in molecular biology are becoming more and more apparent.
>
>Much like study of the brain's synaptic connections promoted
>artificial neural networks in the 1980's, appreciation of biological
>quantum information processing may promote quantum information
>technology. Moreover, macroscopic quantum processes are being proposed
>as intrinsic features in cosmology, evolution and social interactions.
>
>Following the first "Quantum Mind" conference held in Flagstaff at
>Northern Arizona University in 1999, "Quantum Mind 2003" will update
>current status and future directions, and provide dialog with
>skeptical criticism of the proposed synthesis of quantum information
>science and the brain.
>
>Confirmed speakers include: Sir Roger Penrose, Paul Benioff, Henry
>Stapp, Guenter Mahler, Mae Wan Ho, Paavo Pylkkanen, Harald Walach,
>Jiri Wackerman, Jack Tuszynski, Dick Bierman,
>Koichiro Matsuno, Stuart Hameroff, Nancy Woolf, Scott Hagan, Paola
>Zizzi, Alexander Wendt, Jeffrey Satinover, Roeland van Wijk, Guenter
>Albrecht-Buehler, Ken Augustyn, Sisir Roy, Menas Kafatos, Hartmann
>Roemer and E. Roy John
>
>Submitted abstracts will be considered for Plenary Talks, Short Talks
>or Posters. Deadline for abstract submission is December 1, 2002.
>
>Topics:
>* Quantum models of consciousness
>* Quantum information science
>* Decoherence, anti-decoherence and topological quantum error
>correction
>* Cosmology and consciousness
>* Protein, cytoskeletal and DNA dynamics
>* Time: physics and perception
>* Nonlocality and entanglement between macro-systems: experimental
>evidence
>* Quantum mind and social science
>* Skeptical criticism
>
>For further information including abstract submission, registration
>and lodging see www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind2
>
>Sponsored by: Center for Consciousness Studies, The University of
>Arizona; The Fetzer Institute; The YeTaDeL Foundation; The Samueli
>Institute for Information Biology; School of Computational Science,
>George Mason University
>
>--
>Posted by Matt Chessen
From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 22:13:10 2002
Return-Path: <lantzmiller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.174])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E67A388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:05:48 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:56:16 -0800
Received: from 12.141.1.15 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:56:15 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [12.141.1.15]
From: "Lantz Miller" <lantzmiller@hotmail.com>
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, a_schoeller@hotmail.com,
tsmith@innerx.net, handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
Cc: hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com, boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Re: Schocking Historical Facts
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:56:15 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F174qDgDPEhAXgHfJfB0000c63d@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 02:56:16.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA1AA110:01C27FBF]
X-UIDL: jYd"!!"p!!;M-"!:R_!!
Carlos,
This news about Ginsparg is shocking. Just casually reading the list of
MacArthur-grant winners annually and understanding how the winners were
picked purely for the quality of their acheivements and contribution, and
knowing it was not chosen by application but by secret selection, I had
gotten the--surely, widespread--notion that this was a unique prize somehow
untarnished by politics.
That such a thing could ever be a case. Ginsparg being elected for this
grant only shows tgar the MacArthur prize is but another illusion of
sanctimony fabricated by the press--and the Foundation's own publicity
machine.
Los Alamos, with its weighty publicity department, appeals to the
power-savvy New York Times, which writes up a story by a duped reporter
about some phony project about the electronic paradise created by Ginsparg,
and before you know it, $500,000 is flushed down a black-hole toilet. What
will such a charlatan do with that $500K? Take cruises with William Buckley
and the crew of the National Review in the Gulf of California? Like Los
Alamos is suffering for funds?
Charlatans are the ultimate fate of institutions. Notice even the religious
worship that followed Newton's death. Even making Einstein the Man of the
Century on Time magazine is a parody of thinking, as the parody of himself
that Einstein turned himself into as fame mounted was paralleled only by his
contemporary Hemingway. Beware of your own work, if it become established.
How is truth and goodness negotiated through such straits?
Lantz
>From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
>To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
>handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
>CC: hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com, boedo@gav.gat.com
>Subject: Re: Schocking Historical Facts
>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:08:26 +0000
>
>Dear Alfred and Tony and friends :
>
>Perhaps you already know of this REAL historical event that has remained
>hidden for more than 50 years.
>At least it was hidden from me....
>
>There is a book that just came out by Jan Gross documenting what happened
>in ONE single summer day in 1941, in the town of Jedwabne, northeast of
>Warsaw.
>
>In that summer day of July 1941, 1600 men, women and children, all
>Jewish, were brutally massacred by their own neighbors. It was NOT done be
>faceless Nazis, no, no.... but by Polish villagers.
>1600 Jewish people were all murdered by their own " friends " , "
>neighbors " who knew them very well for years and years. Only 7 Jews
>survived and escaped the massacre.
>
>The book has schocked Poland...It says also that this event was NOT
>isolated during the War.
>It happened in other towns. Not in such big scale. No Nuremberg trials for
>these Poles ......
>So the Nazis were not the only ones killing Jews in masses.
>
>What can we expect from the " human " race ????
>
>What Gisnparg has done now , by banning Tony from posting papers in Los
>Alamos because he helped me in the past, in my struggle against Los
>Alamos, is horrible.
>Not as horrible as what happened in Poland. But it exemplifies what a
>rotten world we live in.
>
>Giving a 500,000 $ McArthur grant to Ginsparg is another horrible
>injustice.
>
>Tony will have to post his papers from another e-mail account. Like I have
>done. Like I am doing now.
>
>This is the only solution I see.
>
>What else can he do ? When I spoke with John Sullivan from The New York
>Times ,
>at his Trenton, New Jersey, office, he said " yes , go ahead and fax me
>your story about Gisnparg ... "
>
>What did the New York times do ? ?? A few months later, in May 1 , there
>was a two page article in the NYT, Science Section, praising Ginsparg for
>creating a " democratic " electronic archive ......
>
>The American Civil Liberties Union did nothing; like the Attorney General
>Office in Washington, etc....
>
>Lantz is the one who could write something about this story since he is
>very well informed of what happened to me and has ALL the documents. He
>should include as well the banning of Tony from
>Los Alamos , Andrei Kiriluyk's banning from Los Alamos; Alfred's case
>in Austria ......
>and the wealth of information provided by Tony.
>
>I wonder how many of us are in the Black List. Perhaps it would not be a
>bad idea to gather of all of us to collect some signatures and send
>*collective* e-mails to *everybody*, like Armando suggested once.
>
>I think MOST of you here have ALL been victims of terrible injustices from
>members of the world of Academia. From members who are thirsty for
>political power and money.
>
>The book by Jan Gross has come out in paperback. The title is " Neighbors
>..."
>
>Best wishes
>
>Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls!ÝGet MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 22:41:04 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A63B388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:48:45 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.186.95] (dialup-209.246.186.95.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.186.95])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id ABB4210E288; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:47:08 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9e4fee4c8b9@[209.246.176.222]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:40:48 -0500
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Quantum Mind Conference
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: H-7!!N<""!@>b!!,f$#!
Thanks very much for your message about Quantum Mind 2003.
In fact, the paper that got rejected by the Cornell archives
was in fact my submission to that conference (Quantum Mind 2003).
Stuart Hameroff, one of the organizers, encouraged me to try to
get Cornell to change its mind when I told him of my problem,
but when it turned out that I needed a sponsor,
his message to me ended with the following:
"... There must be someone you know who would do it.
Good luck
Stuart ...".
With friends like that, I am never short of enemies.
As of now, I have no sponsor and in fact have found out
(when another friend inquired on my behalf) that I have
been blacklisted by Cornell. Cornell's exact words about me
that I was in "... "... a large pool here - typically flagged by
reader complaints - ...".
When I saw that, I asked Cornell (register-query@arXiv.org)
"... Please tell me who has complained about me,
and exactly what they have said about me,
and please give me a reasonable opportunity
to reply to any such complaints. ...".
I made that request on 15 October 2002, and have yet to
receive any reply whatsoever. (I guess I am a non-person to Cornell.)
In light of the interesting Bogdanov affair being played out
on sci.physics.research,
it is sort of ironic that one of Cornell's excuses for blacklisting
me is that I don't submit papers to refereed journals.
On a more positive note, I am going to make a talk about
my physics/math stuff at the Southeastern section APS meeting
at Auburn on Friday. I don't expect anybody there to rush to
sponsor me, but I had committed to give the talk before all
this happened, so I plan to go ahead and give it.
As to Penrose and sponsorship:
No, Penrose said he was trying to get away from administrative
stuff, and being an "academic sponsor" is pretty much bureaucratic
administrative stuff, so I don't have any problem with him not
sponsoring me. (It is not like David Finkelstein, with whom
I have worked for 20 years or so, who did not agree to sponsor me.)
As to whether I will go to Tucson to present my contribution to Quantum
Mind 2003, I am not sure.
On the one hand, I am interested in such stuff and my talk might
be of interest to some (in fact Penrose seemed somewhat interested
in the aspect of it related to Chiao's gravity antenna experiments),
but on the other hand, I am pretty much discouraged and disgusted
with the sociological structure of physics, and am inclined
to say to hell with it all.
Tony 29 Oct 2002
From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 00:38:24 2002
Return-Path: <baez@math.ucr.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from navel.ucr.edu (navel.ucr.edu [138.23.225.12])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF066388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:30:30 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from math-ws-n09.ucr.edu ([138.23.202.159]) by navel.ucr.edu
with ESMTP for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:11:23 -0800
Received: (from baez@localhost)
by math-ws-n09.ucr.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g9U5DCN19959
for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:13:11 -0800
From: John Baez <baez@math.ucr.edu>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Quantum Mind Conference
Message-ID: <20021030051311.GB19858@math-ws-n09.ucr.edu>
References: <l03102800b9e4fee4c8b9@[209.246.176.222]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b9e4fee4c8b9@[209.246.176.222]>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
X-UIDL: :M,"!Di;!!;Vc!!`gH!!
Hi -
> With friends like that, I am never short of enemies.
I feel bad that in some ways I'm a friend like that too.
My only excuse is that I completely disapprove of this "quantum
mechanics and consciousness" stuff in general (as currently
practiced, that is), and your work on this topic in particular.
Stuart Hameroff doesn't have this excuse. :-)
> (I guess I am a non-person to Cornell.)
Presumably "Cornell" is a metonym for Paul Ginsparg.
He's the sort of guy who would not answer email about
this sort of thing. Quite an ornery character, in fact.
Best,
jb
From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 01:23:06 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD14388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:30:32 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.188.14] (dialup-209.246.188.14.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.188.14])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 7751510E26F; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:28:55 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9e520dac364@[209.246.186.95]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:22:25 -0500
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Cornell etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: 2ka!!gn?"!7OG!!99~!!
No, you are definitely not an enemy-friend like Stuart Hameroff.
As you said, you don't like quantum consciousness stuff,
and should not feel any obligation whatsoever to go against
how you really feel.
On the other hand, when Cornell barred my post of my article
for Quantum Mind 2003, I told (by e-mail) Stuart Hameroff about it,
and in that message I said (on 8 August 2002):
"... If you think that my paper is not worth the effort,
then please just say so and I will take your word for it,
with no hard feelings,
and take no further action with respect
to putting it on arXiv.org archives ...".
Stuart Hameroff replied on the same day:
"Hi Tony
Of course I remember you. I'm glad you will participate in the conference!
I will have to take some time to read your paper, but I think its worth
archiving
(of course I'd say anything dealing with Orch OR is worthy, supportive or
critical).(And I assume you saw our paper in Phys Rev E contra Tegmark).
Have you seen the online journal NeuroQuantology? They would love it I'm
sure.
You could ask someone who is in physics and affilated with a university to
"communicate it" to the archives.
I'll look it over but keep trying, as above.
cheers
Stuart ...".
The encouraging tone of his reply is why I pursued the matter
rather than let it drop and go away back then.
As I pursued it, I began to find out more and more, and now
that I know that there exists a blacklist and that I am on it,
it really bothers me a lot.
As to your comment "Presumably "Cornell" is a metonym for Paul Ginsparg.",
that may or may not be entirely true.
For instance, the Cornell e-mail that described "... a large pool here -
typically flagged by reader complaints - ..." (what I call a blacklist)
was sent from register-query@arXiv.org
which does not tell you which human beings are involved in the message.
At one point,
when I sent e-mail not only to register-query@arXiv.org
but also with a copy to LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu (which is according
to Cornell's website the entity that oversees the archives)
I got a reply from register-query@arXiv.org saying (in part):
"... Do not send further messages to any address other than this one.
Any message sent to any other address will be put at the bottom of
the queue, and take that much longer to receive response. ...".
To me that means that register-query@arXiv.org (whatever or whoever it is)
does not want the overseers at the Cornell library to see what is going on.
However, Ginsparg personally probably dislikes me because I was
connected with Clark Atlanta University back in the year 2000
when he (Ginsparg) threatened to cut off all archive access for
everybody at Clark Atlanta unless Clark Atlanta ceased supporting
in any way Carlos Castro. I sided with Carlos Castro, who I value
as a friend (his physics is unconventional (maybe not as unconventional
as mine, but still unconventional), but even though his model differs
from mine, I find his ideas interesting and stimulating),
and I think that Ginsparg did not like that,
particularly since (as I understand it) Los Alamos (who then administered
the archives) restrained him from carrying out his threat to cut off access
for everybody at Clark Atlanta.
At Cornell, it seems to me that nobody is able and/or willing to
restrain Ginsparg in any way.
As of now, I think that Carlos is on the blacklist, as he has to get
friends with overseas e-mail addresses to post his papers.
I guess that I could do that myself,
but somehow it seems to me like sneaking in through a back window,
and
if I am barred from the front door of anyplace,
I don't like the idea of sneaking in a back window.
My apologies for the length of this message,
and my thanks for your messages.
Again, I do regard you as a true friend.
Tony 30 Oct 2002
PS - As to Ginsparg getting a MacArthur grant, my opinion is that
he should have gotten it back in 1991 when he was starting out and
could have used money for computers etc,
and also that it should have been $100,000 in 1991 dollars for life,
so that he could have been independent and devoted his full time to
the archives. I think that was how the MacArthurs wanted it done,
and
that the way it is done by trustees and committees now (limited award
in recognition for past work) is a sad perversion of their intent (to
enable people starting possibly-great projects to pursue them independently
and see where they go - maybe most fail, but a few Michaelangelos
would have been worth it).
From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 08:43:12 2002
Return-Path: <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.15])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3547E388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:53:59 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:44:29 -0800
Received: from 193.154.4.15 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:44:24 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [193.154.4.15]
From: "alfred schoeller" <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net,
lantzmiller@hotmail.com, handyman@ctsps.cau.edu
Cc: hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com, boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Re: Schocking Historical Facts
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:44:24 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F158Ts6DdVjkfQWswop00017908@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 06:44:29.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB9AF580:01C27FDF]
X-UIDL: :V/"!eL@!!\M\"!X)_!!
Dear friends:
Thanks for the information on Jan Gross¥s book; injust history is above our
abilities to act. When we send a letter to Putin asking why Russia has not
paid reparations to the Chechen people (Stalin has deported half a million
people to Sibiria; what that means you can read in Dostojevsky¥s books or in
the Archipel Gulag) we would not be able to gain anything.
Where we can act are our own problems with Academia. In my personal fight
with the University of Vienna I was able to force them to partially admit
their guilt at court. More valuable I kept them busy for a while (they had
to formulate and to send long letters; mostly lies, but I can use them to
document their guilt even further). So in the case of Carlos and Tony we
could send short mass e-mails (not much effort; suggested by you
previously)to responsible authorities. Repeat the mailings every day - till
they are tired - and respond negatively or positively. This is a
non-violent, democratic way to inform the public of our problems. A young
Gandhi would have acted this way if he had had access to electronic media in
his time.
Alfred
_________________________________________________________________
Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!Ý Try MSN.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
From ???@??? Sun Nov 03 16:29:40 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B5E388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:34:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA3HPQAj095355;
Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:25:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29999;
Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:25:23 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC55B94.3010401@ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>
Subject: My new paper on e-print archive
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------010503070704020102070401"
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 90066 gA3HPQAj095355 mailbox1.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: R-:"!_V5!!RTZ"!^ni!!
<html><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">
<title></title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract<br>
gr-qc/0211011</h1>
<pre>From: Theoretical Physics Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsarfatt@ucsd.edu"><jsarfatt@ucsd.edu></a>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
</pre>
<h2>The Macro-Quantum Vacuum</h2>
<b>Author:</b> <a
href="http://arxiv.org/find/gr-qc/1/au:+Sarfatti_J/0/1/0/all/0/1">Jack Sarfatti</a><br>
<b>Comments:</b> 8 pages, PDF<br>
<blockquote> I conjecture that the Dirac electron vacuum is unstable to the
formation of a Bose-Einstein condensate of virtual positronium because of
the Coulomb attraction. The phase variation of the resulting center of mass
macro-quantum coherent superfluid ODLRO complex scalar local order parameter
Psi(x) gives Einstein's classical geometrodynamic field guv . The amplitude
modulation of this order parameter determines the quintessent locally variable
cosmological residual normal fluid zero point fluctuation /\ field. This
Ansatz provides a parsimonious unified qualitative explanation of repulsive
dark energy /\ > 0 and attractive dark matter /\ < 0 as exotic phases
of the physical vacuum in accord with the ideas of both Andre Sakharov and
P.W. Anderson's "More is different." </blockquote>
<h3>Full-text: <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0211011">PDF only</a></h3>
<p> References and citations for this submission:<br>
<b><a
href="http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?rawcmd=FIND+EPRINT+GR-QC/0211011">SLAC-SPIRES
HEP</a></b> (refers <a href="http://arxiv.org/refs/gr-qc/0211011">to</a>
, cited <a href="http://arxiv.org/cits/gr-qc/0211011">by</a>, arXiv reformatted)
</p>
<form action="/form/gr-qc">
<h3>
<hr width="70%">Links to: <a href="http://arxiv.org/">arXiv</a>, <a
href="http://arxiv.org/archive/gr-qc">gr-qc</a>, /<a
href="http://arxiv.org/find/gr-qc">find</a>, /<a
href="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc">abs</a> (<a
href="http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0211010">-</a>/+), /<a
href="http://arxiv.org/list/gr-qc/0211#gr-qc/0211011">0211</a>, <a
href="http://arxiv.org/help/"><b>?</b></a> <input type="submit"
name="MULTI" value="form interface">
<hr width="70%"></h3>
<br>
Many more of these papers coming in the pipeline including a thorough professional
critque of the arXiv papers of Bernie and Hal.<br>
<br>
On book progress go to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.1stbooks.com">http://www.1stbooks.com</a><br>
<br>
check my name in author database<br>
<br>
see also<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stardrive.org/Jack/cover.jpg">http://stardrive.org/Jack/cover.jpg</a><br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stardrive.org/Jack/coverSTB.jpg">http://stardrive.org/Jack/coverSTB.jpg</a><br>
<br>
</form>
</body>
</html>
</html>
From ???@??? Mon Nov 04 21:02:41 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE82388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:09:06 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.76.203] (dialup-63.210.76.203.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.76.203])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 87FC510E24F; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:07:42 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ecd2f9d7bb@[63.210.79.99]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:01:46 -0500
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu, sarfatti@pacbell.net, sarfatti@well.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Welcome to the BlackList
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: A2W!!^$5!!(GA!!Kg1"!
Jack,
your message dated Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800
announced
"... My new paper on e-print archive ...
... General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
The Macro-Quantum Vacuum
Author: Jack Sarfatti
Comments: 8 pages, PDF ...".
However,
you will note that around 8 PM EST today the paper posted as
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0211011
is not your paper, but is
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
From: G. Papini <papini@uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:20:10 GMT (9kb)
Shadows of a maximal acceleration
Authors: G. Papini
Comments: 11 pages
>From that, I conclude that you have probably joined me
on Cornell's blacklist, and that we have been barred from the archives.
For more details of my situation (which is probably analogous
to yours) see my web page at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
Here is a relevant excerpt:
"... After a friend of mine asked the Cornell e-print archives some
questions about my situation,
I received copies of some of the statements
of the Cornell e-print archives concerning me,
and
I then sent an e-mail message to register-query@arXiv.org that said:
"... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
...
... Possibly in accord with your request that he "... copy
or retransmit messages for informational purposes. ..."
...[a friend of mine]... has forwarded to me comments
by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern me.
---------------------------------------------------
You say that I am in "... a large pool here -
- typically flagged by reader complaints -
- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".
Please tell me who has complained about me,
and exactly what they have said about me,
and
please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to any such complaints.
---------------------------------------------------
... ...".
I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply from Cornell.
I find it ironic that your alma mater has blacklisted both you and me.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Mon Nov 04 23:42:59 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99431388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:57:06 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA53mXMp092777;
Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:48:33 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09064;
Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:48:32 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC73F23.3010409@ucsd.edu>
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:46:43 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: sarfatti@pacbell.net, sarfatti@well.com
Subject: Re: Welcome to the BlackList
References: <l03102800b9ecd2f9d7bb@[63.210.79.99]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 87226 gA53mXMp092777 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: m@9"!\c*!!#7`!!g@+"!
Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit? Brian Josephson is
part of that black list.
Tony Smith wrote:
>Jack,
>your message dated Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800
>announced
>"... My new paper on e-print archive ...
>... General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
>From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
>The Macro-Quantum Vacuum
> Author: Jack Sarfatti
> Comments: 8 pages, PDF ...".
>
>However,
>you will note that around 8 PM EST today the paper posted as
>http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0211011
>is not your paper, but is
>General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
>From: G. Papini <papini@uregina.ca>
>Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:20:10 GMT (9kb)
>Shadows of a maximal acceleration
>Authors: G. Papini
>Comments: 11 pages
>
>
>>From that, I conclude that you have probably joined me
>on Cornell's blacklist, and that we have been barred from the archives.
>
>For more details of my situation (which is probably analogous
>to yours) see my web page at
>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
>
>Here is a relevant excerpt:
>
>"... After a friend of mine asked the Cornell e-print archives some
>questions about my situation,
>I received copies of some of the statements
>of the Cornell e-print archives concerning me,
>and
>I then sent an e-mail message to register-query@arXiv.org that said:
>"... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400
>To: register-query@arXiv.org
>From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
>Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
>...
>... Possibly in accord with your request that he "... copy
>or retransmit messages for informational purposes. ..."
>...[a friend of mine]... has forwarded to me comments
>by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern me.
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>You say that I am in "... a large pool here -
>- typically flagged by reader complaints -
>- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".
>
>Please tell me who has complained about me,
>and exactly what they have said about me,
>and
>please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to any such complaints.
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>... ...".
>
>
>I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply from Cornell.
>
>I find it ironic that your alma mater has blacklisted both you and me.
>
>
>Tony 4 Nov 2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Mon Nov 04 23:43:00 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5035388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:13:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300J0K4OJFL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 20:05:14 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:03:18 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: Censorship at Cornell Physics arXiv
In-reply-to: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOKEOCDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
rcr2@cornell.edu, sarfatti@well.com, info@cornell.edu,
CAM18@cornell.edu
Cc: Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
moderation@arxiv.org, www-admin@arxiv.org, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOKEOHDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_WpJ5T99v7GMN9AChq/pxhQ)"
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: !Z@"!?K_"!';5"!5KM"!
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--Boundary_(ID_WpJ5T99v7GMN9AChq/pxhQ)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
-----Original Message-----
From: Creon Levit [mailto:creon@nas.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:55 PM
To: sarfatti@well.com
Subject: Re: Censorship at Cornell Physics arXiv
I find the editorial decision outrageous. Jack, please email me the pdf. I
want to see what these laputians found so offensive.
Jack,
your message dated Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800
announced
"... My new paper on e-print archive ...
... General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
WARNING: The remainder of this 54K message has not been transferred. Turn on the "Fetch" button in the icon bar and check mail again to get the whole thing.
From ???@??? Mon Nov 04 23:43:29 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5035388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:13:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300J0K4OJFL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 20:05:14 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:03:18 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: Censorship at Cornell Physics arXiv
In-reply-to: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOKEOCDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
rcr2@cornell.edu, sarfatti@well.com, info@cornell.edu,
CAM18@cornell.edu
Cc: Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
moderation@arxiv.org, www-admin@arxiv.org, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOKEOHDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_WpJ5T99v7GMN9AChq/pxhQ)"
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: !Z@"!?K_"!';5"!5KM"!
Status: U
<html><html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C2843D.3729C130">
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
<o:RelyOnVML/>
<o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
</o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<w:WordDocument>
<w:View>Normal</w:View>
<w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom>
<w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
<w:EnvelopeVis/>
</w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;
mso-font-charset:0;
mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
mso-font-pitch:variable;
mso-font-signature:553679495 -2147483648 8 0 66047 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;
mso-font-charset:128;
mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
mso-font-pitch:variable;
mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129023 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"\@Arial Unicode MS";
mso-font-charset:128;
mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
mso-font-pitch:variable;
mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129023 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{mso-style-parent:"";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
h1
{margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
mso-outline-level:1;
font-size:24.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
mso-font-kerning:18.0pt;
font-weight:bold;}
h2
{margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
mso-outline-level:2;
font-size:18.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
font-weight:bold;}
h3
{margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
mso-outline-level:3;
font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
font-weight:bold;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;
text-underline:single;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;
text-underline:single;}
p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p
{margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";}
pre
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";}
span.EmailStyle20
{mso-style-type:personal;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle23
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
mso-header-margin:.5in;
mso-footer-margin:.5in;
mso-paper-source:0;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1027"/>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1"/>
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Creon Levit
[mailto:creon@nas.nasa.gov]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 04, 2002
5:55 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> sarfatti@well.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Censorship at Cornell
Physics arXiv</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I find the
editorial decision outrageous. Jack, please email me the pdf. I
want to see what these laputians found so offensive.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Jack,</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>your message dated Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>announced</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>"... My new paper on e-print archive ...</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>... General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology,
abstract gr-qc/0211011</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>From: Theoretical Physics Group
<jsarfatt@ucsd.edu></span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(183kb)</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>The Macro-Quantum Vacuum</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Author:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Jack Sarfatti</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Comments: 8 pages, PDF ...".</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>However,</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>you will note that around 8 PM EST today the paper
posted as</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0211011</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>is not your paper, but is</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0211011</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>From: G. Papini <papini@uregina.ca></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:20:10 GMT<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(9kb)</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Shadows of a maximal acceleration</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Authors: G. Papini</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Comments: 11 pages</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>>From that, I conclude that you have probably
joined me</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>on Cornell's blacklist, and that we have been barred
from the archives.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>For more details of my situation (which is probably
analogous</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>to yours) see my web page at</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Here is a relevant excerpt:</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>"... After a friend of mine asked the Cornell
e-print archives some</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>questions about my situation,</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>I received copies of some of the statements</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>of the Cornell e-print archives concerning me,</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>and</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>I then sent an e-mail message to
register-query@arXiv.org that said:</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>"... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>To: register-query@arXiv.org</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>...</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>... Possibly in accord with your request that he
"... copy</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>or retransmit messages for informational purposes.
..."</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>...[a friend of mine]... has forwarded to me comments</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern
me.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>---------------------------------------------------</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>You say that I am in "... a large pool here -</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>- typically flagged by reader complaints -</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Please tell me who has complained about me,</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>and exactly what they have said about me,</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>and</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to
any such complaints.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>---------------------------------------------------</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>...<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>...".</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply from
Cornell.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>I find it ironic that your alma mater has blacklisted
both you and me.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>Tony<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span><span
style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>4 Nov 2002</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy'>And Brian
Josephson complains about it in </span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/">http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/</a><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> . I will take this to the Cornell Alumni
Association of which I am a member.</span></font></span></font><span
class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Jack Sarfatti
[mailto:sarfatti@well.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 04, 2002
4:42 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rcr2@cornell.edu; Creon Levit<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Saul Paul Sirag; Hpstapp;
www-admin@arxiv.org; moderation@arxiv.org; Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu;
bdj10@cam.ac.uk; Marty Hanna; Ron Pandolfi; Karastjepa@aol. com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Censorship at Cornell
Physics arXiv</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear Dr. Richardson<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Vice Provost for Research Cornell University<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am a Cornell alumnus Class of 1960 BA in physics. I
also have a Ph.D. in physics from the University of California.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Can you tell me who is running the physics arXiv
physics e-print archive at Cornell and what the moderation policy is?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My recent submission was rejected with no explanation
except a vague reference to a “moderator”. This same thing has happened to
Nobel Prize physicist Brian Josephson from Cambridge University who has complained
about it on his webpage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There seems to be a censorship blacklist at Cornell
these days and a double standard since many manifestly dubious obscure papers
from Ukraine, China and other places are to be found on the Cornell server. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The issue however is one of fairness. I would think
that a Nobel Prize in physics and a PhD in physics from the University of
California should suffice to allow controversial papers to be put on the server
if only for refutation if they are wrong or not even wrong. Censorship by an
unknown “moderator”, possibly with a personal grudge, is reprehensible.
Josephson and I are hardly unknown and I plan to write about this in my popular
books read by many thousands of people. I also appear on TV shows on popular
physics and will be in the Paramount Pictures DVD re-release of Star Trek IV
The Voyage Home, so that this censorship incident will not go un-noted. This is
a clear case of discrimination because both Josephson and I have dared to speak
out publically on consciousness and the paranormal although this paper I
submitted has no reference to that topic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perhaps arXiv can set up a new category
“Controversial Physics” to allow papers outside the box – though not too far
outside. I suspect it would be the most popular category for downloads. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The abstract for my rejected paper, without
explanation, is<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<h1 style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=6 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;color:black'>General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology,
abstract<br>
gr-qc/0211011</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h1>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(183kb)</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<h2 style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><b><font
size=5 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:18.0pt;
color:black'>The Macro-Quantum Vacuum</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><b><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Author:</span></font></b><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <a
href="http://arxiv.org/find/gr-qc/1/au:+Sarfatti_J/0/1/0/all/0/1">Jack Sarfatti</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Comments:</span></b> 8 pages, PDF</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in;tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>I conjecture that the Dirac electron vacuum is unstable to the
formation of a Bose-Einstein condensate of virtual positronium because of the
Coulomb attraction. The phase variation of the resulting center of mass
macro-quantum coherent superfluid ODLRO complex scalar local order parameter
Psi(x) gives Einstein's classical geometrodynamic field guv . The amplitude
modulation of this order parameter determines the quintessent locally variable
cosmological residual normal fluid zero point fluctuation /\ field. This Ansatz
provides a parsimonious unified qualitative explanation of repulsive dark
energy /\ > 0 and attractive dark matter /\ < 0 as exotic phases of the
physical vacuum in accord with the ideas of both Andre Sakharov and P.W.
Anderson's "More is different." </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<form>
<form>
</form>
</form>
</div>
</body>
</html>
</html>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:32 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5BC388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:29:32 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300IE687582@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 21:21:07 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:19:16 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: Welcome to the BlackList
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9ecd2f9d7bb@[63.210.79.99]>
To: sarfatti@pacbell.net, jsarfatt@ucsd.edu,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOCEPHDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: ^:b"!ei;!!a\,!!V[""!
Since I have essentially not published before on arXiv how could they have a
large pool of complaints about me?
There was one short note with Creon some years back on quantum chemistry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:02 PM
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu; sarfatti@pacbell.net; sarfatti@well.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Welcome to the BlackList
Jack,
your message dated Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800
announced
"... My new paper on e-print archive ...
... General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
The Macro-Quantum Vacuum
Author: Jack Sarfatti
Comments: 8 pages, PDF ...".
However,
you will note that around 8 PM EST today the paper posted as
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0211011
is not your paper, but is
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/0211011
From: G. Papini <papini@uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:20:10 GMT (9kb)
Shadows of a maximal acceleration
Authors: G. Papini
Comments: 11 pages
>From that, I conclude that you have probably joined me
on Cornell's blacklist, and that we have been barred from the archives.
For more details of my situation (which is probably analogous
to yours) see my web page at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/jouref.html#arxivregreq2002
Here is a relevant excerpt:
"... After a friend of mine asked the Cornell e-print archives some
questions about my situation,
I received copies of some of the statements
of the Cornell e-print archives concerning me,
and
I then sent an e-mail message to register-query@arXiv.org that said:
"... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:32:55 -0400
To: register-query@arXiv.org
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: arXiv.org policy
...
... Possibly in accord with your request that he "... copy
or retransmit messages for informational purposes. ..."
...[a friend of mine]... has forwarded to me comments
by you, register-query for arXiv.org, that concern me.
---------------------------------------------------
You say that I am in "... a large pool here -
- typically flagged by reader complaints -
- encouraged to find alternate outlets. ...".
Please tell me who has complained about me,
and exactly what they have said about me,
and
please give me a reasonable opportunity to reply to any such complaints.
---------------------------------------------------
... ...".
I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply from Cornell.
I find it ironic that your alma mater has blacklisted both you and me.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:20:48 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B990388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:27:22 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 1663E10E2BB; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:25:58 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:20:33 -0500
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu, sarfatti@pacbell.net, sarfatti@well.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, creon@nas.nasa.gov, bdj10@cam.ac.uk
X-UIDL: K;+"!**("!:$J!!V`G!!
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:33 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB69388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:32:56 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300JTR8CTFL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 21:24:31 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:22:40 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: Cornell blacklist - legal action
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, jsarfatt@ucsd.edu,
sarfatti@pacbell.net
Cc: creon@nas.nasa.gov, bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOAEPIDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: g)N!!,;6"!$gR"!aF/!!
You have my support and some money.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 PM
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu; sarfatti@pacbell.net; sarfatti@well.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net; creon@nas.nasa.gov; bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:34 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB046388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:37:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 673E210E33A; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:36:21 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102801b9ed061edbd1@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:30:57 -0500
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, a_schoeller@hotmail.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: Q1&#!69G"!=3&!!Y\C!!
Carlos and Alfred,
for your information it seems that Jack Sarfatti and
Brian Josephson are both on the Cornell blacklist.
I have been worrying about the situation lately,
and Jack Sarfatti sent me e-mail asking me as an attorney
about the possibility of a suit. Here, below my signature,
is a copy of my reply to Jack.
Thanks for your recent messages of support.
As I stated in my message below, I think that it is important
that all aggrieved people be given a reasonable way to correct
erroneous blacklisting,
so that even if Cornell tried to settle with me individually
today by giving me archive authorship, I would not accept
such an individual settlement unless Cornell put into effect
a reasonable procedure for ALL aggrieved parties.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is a copy of the text of my message replying to Jack Sarfatti:
-----------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:35 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64AB388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:44:50 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 3B0C610E33A; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:43:27 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102802b9ed0816523f@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:03 -0500
To: ark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ;Hj!!4h;"!2G^!!;<"!!
Ark,
thanks very much for your recent messages of support with
respect to my being blacklisted by Cornell.
As you suggested, sometimes the universe has its own timing
for taking actions, and today I heard from Jack Sarfatti
that both he and Brian Josephson are also on the Cornell blacklist.
You can read about Brian Josephson's situation at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
(a relevant part is in the paragraph about Cold Fusion politics).
For your information, below my signature is the text of my
reply to Jack Sarfatti.
Please give my best wishes to Laura,
and also thanks to you for persistently asking clarifying
questions in the Bogdanov affair. Your web pages are quite interesting.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is the text of my reply to Jack Sarfatti:
--------------------------------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:36 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB195388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:51:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 5FD0710E369; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:50:21 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102804b9ed0ad6f7a0@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:44:57 -0500
To: dwmarks@bellsouth.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: l0k"!$9m!!oX~!!8%B"!
Dennis,
I enjoyed seeing you at the Auburn meeting,
and thanks again for the interesting ideas in your talk there.
Just so that you as a friend will know what is going on
(I am NOT asking for you to do anything)
here, below my signature is my reply to a message from
Jack Sarfatti in which he noted that both he and Brian Josephson
were also on Cornell's archive blacklist.
You can read about Brian Josephson's situation at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
(a relevant part is in the paragraph about Cold Fusion politics).
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is the text of my reply to Jack Sarfatti:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:45:37 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E7388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:52:06 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 950D010E369; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:50:43 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102803b9ed09c4b73f@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:45:19 -0500
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: UFi!!:5=!!+?g"!nYk!!
John,
just so that you as a friend will know what is going on
(I am NOT asking for you to do anything)
here, below my signature is my reply to a message from
Jack Sarfatti in which he noted that both he and Brian Josephson
were also on Cornell's archive blacklist.
You can read about Brian Josephson's situation at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
(a relevant part is in the paragraph about Cold Fusion politics).
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is the text of my reply to Jack Sarfatti:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:49:59 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DD1388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:56:29 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 885BF10E270; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:55:06 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102805b9ed0c1b4416@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:49:11 -0500
To: lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: "k*!!94f!!(H;!!l>/!!
Ark,
thanks very much for your recent messages of support with
respect to my being blacklisted by Cornell.
As you suggested, sometimes the universe has its own timing
for taking actions, and today I heard from Jack Sarfatti
that both he and Brian Josephson are also on the Cornell blacklist.
You can read about Brian Josephson's situation at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
(a relevant part is in the paragraph about Cold Fusion politics).
For your information, below my signature is the text of my
reply to Jack Sarfatti.
Please give my best wishes to Laura,
and also thanks to you for persistently asking clarifying
questions in the Bogdanov affair. Your web pages are quite interesting.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is the text of my reply to Jack Sarfatti:
--------------------------------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 00:56:28 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378A4388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:00:11 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300DFU9M6RV@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 21:51:46 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:49:53 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]>
To: Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>,
sarfatti@pacbell.net, jsarfatt@ucsd.edu,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>,
"Moderation@Arxiv. Org" <moderation@arxiv.org>, cunews@cornell.edu,
lg16@cornell.edu, deb27@cornell.edu, hrr6@cornell.edu,
jk9@cornell.edu, alumniaffairs@cornell.edu, rc2@cornell.edu
Cc: Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>, 'Toronto Radio' <sumari@trigger.net>,
"Tdesiato@Deltagroupengineering. Com" <tdesiato@deltagroupengineering.com>,
Steve New Wolff <swolff@inter-the-gateway.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>, Foggy Writer <CloudRider@aol.com>,
David Gladstone <d1494@wt.net>,
"DarkEditor@aol. com" <DarkEditor@aol.com>,
Dan Smith <dantsmith@comcast.net>,
Congressman Dana <Dana@mail.house.gov>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
"Amara@Kurzweilai. Net" <amara@kurzweilai.net>,
Alex Burns <alex@disinfo.com>, Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu, creon@nas.nasa.gov
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOGEPJDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: ]#m"!=-I!!?_6!!^5h"!
You have my support and also some money.
I was going to give Cornell another $500, I sent them $100 yesterday.
I will keep the $500 for the lawsuit should it come to that.
This is really an outrageous situation. It is shameful.
Censorship financed by US Tax Dollars must be opposed.
Have you contacted John Ashcroft's Office about this?
What about Trent Lott?
The real issue is violation of due process using Federal money.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 PM
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu; sarfatti@pacbell.net; sarfatti@well.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net; creon@nas.nasa.gov; bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
Dear Dr. Richardson
Vice Provost for Research Cornell University
I am a Cornell alumnus Class of 1960 BA in physics. I also have a Ph.D. in
physics from the University of California.
Can you tell me who is running the physics arXiv physics e-print archive at
Cornell and what the moderation policy is?
My recent submission was rejected with no explanation except a vague
reference to a "moderator". This same thing has happened to Nobel Prize
physicist Brian Josephson from Cambridge University who has complained about
it on his webpage.
There seems to be a censorship blacklist at Cornell these days and a double
standard since many manifestly dubious obscure papers from Ukraine, China
and other places are to be found on the Cornell server.
The issue however is one of fairness. I would think that a Nobel Prize in
physics and a PhD in physics from the University of California should
suffice to allow controversial papers to be put on the server if only for
refutation if they are wrong or not even wrong. Censorship by an unknown
"moderator", possibly with a personal grudge, is reprehensible. Josephson
and I are hardly unknown and I plan to write about this in my popular books
read by many thousands of people. I also appear on TV shows on popular
physics and will be in the Paramount Pictures DVD re-release of Star Trek IV
The Voyage Home, so that this censorship incident will not go un-noted. This
is a clear case of discrimination because both Josephson and I have dared to
speak out publically on consciousness and the paranormal although this paper
I submitted has no reference to that topic.
Perhaps arXiv can set up a new category "Controversial Physics" to allow
papers outside the box - though not too far outside. I suspect it would be
the most popular category for downloads. ;-)
The abstract for my rejected paper, without explanation, is
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0211011
From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
The Macro-Quantum Vacuum
Author: Jack Sarfatti
Comments: 8 pages, PDF
I conjecture that the Dirac electron vacuum is unstable to the formation of
a Bose-Einstein condensate of virtual positronium because of the Coulomb
attraction. The phase variation of the resulting center of mass
macro-quantum coherent superfluid ODLRO complex scalar local order parameter
Psi(x) gives Einstein's classical geometrodynamic field guv . The amplitude
modulation of this order parameter determines the quintessent locally
variable cosmological residual normal fluid zero point fluctuation /\ field.
This Ansatz provides a parsimonious unified qualitative explanation of
repulsive dark energy /\ > 0 and attractive dark matter /\ < 0 as exotic
phases of the physical vacuum in accord with the ideas of both Andre
Sakharov and P.W. Anderson's "More is different."
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 01:07:19 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox3.ucsd.edu (mailbox3.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.55])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E278388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:07:57 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox3.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA55xA1G010455;
Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29115;
Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:59:09 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC75DBF.5080309@ucsd.edu>
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:57:19 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Lawsuit against Cornell arXiv?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 92747 gA55xA1G010455 mailbox3.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: ^l8!!8l8!![fm"!P=,"!
resend from different server to make sure you get this
You have my support and also some money.
I was going to give Cornell another $500, I sent them $100 yesterday.
I will keep the $500 for the lawsuit should it come to that.
This is really an outrageous situation. It is shameful.
Censorship financed by US Tax Dollars must be opposed.
Have you contacted John Ashcroft's Office about this?
What about Trent Lott?
The real issue is violation of due process using Federal money.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 PM
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu; sarfatti@pacbell.net; sarfatti@well.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net; creon@nas.nasa.gov; bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
Dear Dr. Richardson
Vice Provost for Research Cornell University
I am a Cornell alumnus Class of 1960 BA in physics. I also have a Ph.D.
in physics from the University of California.
Can you tell me who is running the physics arXiv physics e-print archive
at Cornell and what the moderation policy is?
My recent submission was rejected with no explanation except a vague
reference to a "moderator". This same thing has happened to Nobel Prize
physicist Brian Josephson from Cambridge University who has complained
about it on his webpage.
There seems to be a censorship blacklist at Cornell these days and a
double standard since many manifestly dubious obscure papers from
Ukraine, China and other places are to be found on the Cornell server.
The issue however is one of fairness. I would think that a Nobel Prize
in physics and a PhD in physics from the University of California should
suffice to allow controversial papers to be put on the server if only
for refutation if they are wrong or not even wrong. Censorship by an
unknown "moderator", possibly with a personal grudge, is reprehensible.
Josephson and I are hardly unknown and I plan to write about this in my
popular books read by many thousands of people. I also appear on TV
shows on popular physics and will be in the Paramount Pictures DVD
re-release of Star Trek IV The Voyage Home, so that this censorship
incident will not go un-noted. This is a clear case of discrimination
because both Josephson and I have dared to speak out publically on
consciousness and the paranormal although this paper I submitted has no
reference to that topic.
Perhaps arXiv can set up a new category "Controversial Physics" to allow
papers outside the box - though not too far outside. I suspect it would
be the most popular category for downloads. ;-)
The abstract for my rejected paper, without explanation, is
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0211011
From: Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:42 GMT (183kb)
The Macro-Quantum Vacuum
Author: Jack Sarfatti
Comments: 8 pages, PDF
I conjecture that the Dirac electron vacuum is unstable to the formation
of a Bose-Einstein condensate of virtual positronium because of the
Coulomb attraction. The phase variation of the resulting center of mass
macro-quantum coherent superfluid ODLRO complex scalar local order
parameter Psi(x) gives Einstein's classical geometrodynamic field guv .
The amplitude modulation of this order parameter determines the
quintessent locally variable cosmological residual normal fluid zero
point fluctuation /\ field. This Ansatz provides a parsimonious unified
qualitative explanation of repulsive dark energy /\ > 0 and attractive
dark matter /\ < 0 as exotic phases of the physical vacuum in accord
with the ideas of both Andre Sakharov and P.W. Anderson's "More is
different."
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 01:00:12 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EE1388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:06:41 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.176.119] (dialup-209.246.176.119.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.176.119])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 39EE610E27A; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:05:18 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ed0e4ac765@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:59:54 -0500
To: sarfatti@well.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ~Jl"!1R="!poV"!~H6"!
Jack, thanks for your offer of support.
I will keep it in mind as I do research
over the next couple of weeks or so.
As to your offer of money, none is needed right now,
but thanks very much anyway.
I will keep you posted as to the progress of legal research.
Thanks again.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 01:17:12 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9FB388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:15:35 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5300BKIABZC8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Mon,
04 Nov 2002 22:07:11 -0800 (PST)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:05:21 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9ed0e4ac765@[209.246.176.119]>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOIEPKDCAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: Cj(#!IU+!!^?E"!"To!!
Definitely put me in as one of the plaintiffs should you go ahead and we do
not get any satisfaction from these hacks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:00 PM
To: sarfatti@well.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: Lawsuit against Cornell for arXiv Blacklist?
Jack, thanks for your offer of support.
I will keep it in mind as I do research
over the next couple of weeks or so.
As to your offer of money, none is needed right now,
but thanks very much anyway.
I will keep you posted as to the progress of legal research.
Thanks again.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 04:39:01 2002
Return-Path: <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.154])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5870388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:37:49 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:29:25 -0800
Received: from 193.154.4.29 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:29:24 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [193.154.4.29]
From: "alfred schoeller" <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, perelmanc@hotmail.com
Cc: a_schoeller@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:29:24 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F154oZolmRBaYFkuutS0000002f@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2002 06:29:25.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF929280:01C28494]
X-UIDL: HH]!!Sg`"!lYi!!`E6"!
Dear friends!
Yesterday supposedly an USA rocket killed six terrorists in Jemen. WHEN
TRUE: BREACH OF TWO BASIC LAWS OF CIVILIZATION: 1. JEMEN HAS THE AUTHORITY
IN JEMEN; 2. EVEN A MASS MURDERER HAS A RIGHT OF DEFENSE AT A COURT. I
believe states have lost the path of democracy and try to enforce their
rules upon people. For instance: no one asks Western Europe if we want an
extension to eastern Europe at this economic hard time (in Ireland they
voted two times till they voted politically correct - after massive pressure
from the EC). Why I am saying that? BECAUSE: WHAT DO YOU EXPECT??????????
They have destroyed Oppenheimer, expelled Bohm and L. Pauling could not
leave the country. Why was Carlos under investigation of the Italian Secret
service???? JUST THINK!
What wonders me is that You are censured! Congratulations your work must be
important!!!!!!!
Generally I think very negative of the human race of the 21th century. Just
compare the ideas, music and literature of 18th century Germany/Austria to
the present (shiting and pissing). Academia has lost all ideals (just a
fight for money and tenure track position). Did you hear of the young german
physicist Jan Schˆn (32 years of age) who faked many papers (Science has to
retract eight ACCEPTED papers on superconductivity). If he would not had
overdone it he would be the perfect candidate for a centennial chair.
Soon I will go to Thailand with my wife Pathum to spend a peaceful month on
the beach. see you Alfred
_________________________________________________________________
Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.Ý Try MSN!
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 09:49:34 2002
Return-Path: <dwmarks@bellsouth.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from imf02bis.bellsouth.net (mail002.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.22])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13945388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:45:13 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from ALBERT ([66.20.139.74]) by imf02bis.bellsouth.net
(InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP
id <20021105113835.BTLO29244.imf02bis.bellsouth.net@ALBERT>
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:38:35 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Marks" <dwmarks@bellsouth.net>
To: "'Tony Smith'" <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: Cornell blacklist
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:36:47 -0500
Message-ID: <002501c284bf$a0050a20$210110ac@ALBERT>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <l03102804b9ed0ad6f7a0@[209.246.176.119]>
X-UIDL: g%b!!b)N!!Ii:!!%L@!!
Tony,
It was good to see you at Auburn. I really enjoyed your talk.
Thanks also for update on Cornell and the link about Brian Josephson.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:45 AM
To: dwmarks@bellsouth.net
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Cornell blacklist
Dennis,
I enjoyed seeing you at the Auburn meeting,
and thanks again for the interesting ideas in your talk there.
Just so that you as a friend will know what is going on
(I am NOT asking for you to do anything)
here, below my signature is my reply to a message from
Jack Sarfatti in which he noted that both he and Brian Josephson
were also on Cornell's archive blacklist.
You can read about Brian Josephson's situation at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
(a relevant part is in the paragraph about Cold Fusion politics).
Tony 5 Nov 2002
Here is the text of my reply to Jack Sarfatti:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jack, you ask
"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
several entities at Cornell,
but I think that you may have omitted
LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
for example,
bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
as well as many other places)
claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
been abridged without due process.
The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
should be reasonably available to all citizens,
and
that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
be challenged by the citizen.
I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
outlined above.
If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
Also,
it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
interests should also be taken into account.
For example,
as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
people is to try to settle individually with those able and
willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
litigate in two jurisdicitions,
and
whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
might also be subject to suit in the UK,
he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
Still another possibility might be suit in an international
tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
might be preferable.
I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
of such litigation only with great regret,
but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
of a Dark Age of Physics.
I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
in a reasonable manner.
Tony 4 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 09:49:36 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74421388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:14:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from line136.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.136] helo=line75.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk)
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 1892TI-0007CN-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:06:16 +0000
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:09:21 +0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu, sarfatti@pacbell.net, sarfatti@well.com
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, creon@nas.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
Message-ID: <279700.3245486961@line75.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: Rc>"!/3k"!NM&#!S"X"!
Dear Jack,
First of all, I have removed the filter (which in its existing form only
applied if your whole surname was present, so did not affect your ucsd
email address). I installed it because of the very large number of emails
you were sending at one time, and may have to restore it if things get
excessive again.
Next, the actual story is that I have not _myself_ been censored by the
archive. The situation is that I tried submitting a review by Ed Storms
(storms2@ix.netcom.com), whose application to register for submissions was
rejected by the system because since his retirement from LANL he no longer
has the 'right' kind of email address. The automatic procedure went
through OK, but as with your paper it did not appear. On enquiry (see
address below) I was informed that the paper had been deleted as being
unsuitable for cond-mat. You can find the details on my home page (see
below), and also a link to the paper that was rejected. The situation then
is that I am not on the blacklist myself. But I see, checking for the new
papers on the archive, that your paper has been subjected to the same
deletion process. Since I have not seen it, I can't comment on whether
there might have been valid grounds for the decision, but in Storms' case
this was a careful scholarly article and I can see no scientific case
against it, or for the view that cond-mat was not a suitable subject area
which they tried to argue.
[since then I have seen the abstract in your email, but without looking at
the argument I can't tell how convincing it is. Has it been vetted by
experts? Anyway, you can always ask the person at the address below why it
was rejected]
BTW, the address I have been corresponding with is
register-query@arXiv.org, and they do answer, the general line being that
papers are accepted for the archive only if they are in principle
publishable in a physics journal, and CF research is deemed de facto not to
fall within that category.
It has become apparent that the person responding has legally
unmentionable characteristics, and there will be no mileage gained by
writing to him. I can't see what laws have been broken by his refusal to
archive a paper, either. The best grounds on which the decision can be
attacked are thus scientific ones, i.e. poor judgement, as I believe is
certainly relevant in the Storms case, so unfavourable publicity would seem
to be the key -- get as many people as possible to mirror the account on my
home page! Needless to say, the statement that 'no complaints [re the
paper on my web pages] [have been] received so far at June 11, 2002' still
applies (with a date change) after a further 4+ months have gone by.
Best wishes,
Brian
--On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 0:20 -0500 Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
wrote:
> Jack, you ask
> "... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
> Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
>
> First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
> several entities at Cornell,
> but I think that you may have omitted
> LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
> which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 09:49:37 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A01B388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:43:23 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from line136.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.136])
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 1892v3-0006X7-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:34:58 +0000
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:37:58 +0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu, sarfatti@pacbell.net, sarfatti@well.com
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, creon@nas.nasa.gov
Subject: PS
Message-ID: <382967.3245488678@line136.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: ELi!!BkS"!P+'#!X-G!!
Dear Jack,
First of all, I trust my earlier message got to you -- when you are
composing a message my mail program stops checking for new mail and the
server then thinks you have gone away and disconnects you after a time, and
the mail program is not designed to handle this event (sigh!). However, it
assured me that the message was sent and it merely was unable to save a
copy (which I did manually afterwards).
Anyway, I merely wanted to note that if you do a search under my name on
quant-ph you will see a somewhat unorthodox paper which did get on to the
archive OK (and was subsequently published in BioSystems). It follows that
I am not on a blacklist and it was instead the title 'Cold fusion, An
Objective Assessment', that triggered off the rejection process.
Brian
Brian
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:01:24 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B265388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:03:38 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.76.182] (dialup-63.210.76.182.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.76.182])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 5D1A910E2F6; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:02:16 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ed8b8c0578@[209.246.176.119]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:56:11 -0500
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: VF(#!KLK"!&>X"!Z32"!
Thank you very much for letting me know that you are in fact
NOT on any blacklist related to the Cornell archives.
In future correspondence regarding the matter, I will make
it clear that my earlier message was in error in that regard.
My apologies for that error.
Tony 5 November 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:01:51 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E283F388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:08:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.76.182] (dialup-63.210.76.182.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.76.182])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id E8A9110E2F6; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:06:28 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102801b9ed8cc84fc3@[63.210.76.182]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:01:09 -0500
To: dwmarks@bellsouth.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: RE: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: D5(#!Ud$#!$BB!!761"!
Dennis, earlier today I received a message from Brian Josephson
stating that in fact HE is NOT on any Cornell blacklist,
and that the matter mentioned on his web page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
involved a paper submitted by a third party.
Please consider my earlier message to be correspondingly modified.
Thanks.
Tony 5 November 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:40:15 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1160388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:44:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (64-132-253-172.vantek.net [64.132.253.172]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id WD5N6FDH; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:35:35 -0500
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:38:35 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3DC79FAB.24836.68B9C2@localhost>
Priority: normal
In-reply-to: <l03102805b9ed0c1b4416@[209.246.176.119]>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body
X-UIDL: :@<"!6ie!!<,C"!~DZ"!
On 5 Nov 2002 at 0:49, Tony Smith wrote:
> I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
> Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
> in a reasonable manner.
Dear Tony,
One comment: Cornell is working on money from somewhere.
Who gives money for archive administration? Probably NSF.
Therefore NSF probably is responsible - although indirectly.
And in NSF one might find somebody with at least two neurons in
contact (apparently no such person exist in cornell's
administration).
So a properly worded letter to a proper person at NSF may
solve the problem in an instant.
Just a thought...
ark
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:40:16 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D72388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:46:34 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.21.128] (dialup-65.58.21.128.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.21.128])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 1191A10E2EE; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:45:13 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102802b9ed960543a2@[63.210.76.182]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:38:38 -0500
To: lark1@ozline.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: correction RE: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ;S0"!*3]!!=)T!!a1Q!!
Earlier today I received a message from Brian Josephson
stating that in fact HE is NOT on any Cornell blacklist,
and that the matter mentioned on his web page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
involved a paper submitted by a third party.
Please consider my earlier message to be correspondingly modified.
Thanks.
Tony 5 November 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:40:16 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C896F388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:46:33 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.21.128] (dialup-65.58.21.128.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.21.128])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id E888010E2BF; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:45:11 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102801b9ed95ad2ec5@[63.210.76.182]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:39:52 -0500
To: baez@math.ucr.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: correction RE: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ;G;!!pGU!!b;J"!DA7!!
Earlier today I received a message from Brian Josephson
stating that in fact HE is NOT on any Cornell blacklist,
and that the matter mentioned on his web page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
involved a paper submitted by a third party.
Please consider my earlier message to be correspondingly modified.
Thanks.
Tony 5 November 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 10:40:16 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE18388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:46:41 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.21.128] (dialup-65.58.21.128.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.21.128])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id C607810E2BF; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:45:19 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ed959729c5@[63.210.76.182]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:40:00 -0500
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, a_schoeller@hotmail.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: correction RE: Cornell blacklist
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: @9n!!V/X"!e#=!!I`^"!
Earlier today I received a message from Brian Josephson
stating that in fact HE is NOT on any Cornell blacklist,
and that the matter mentioned on his web page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/
involved a paper submitted by a third party.
Please consider my earlier message to be correspondingly modified.
Thanks.
Tony 5 November 2002
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:21 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC1C388367
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:57:00 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from well.com ([63.198.176.106])
by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with ESMTP id <0H5400GZZ1933E@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
05 Nov 2002 07:48:39 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:48:40 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: Re: arXiv
In-reply-to: <p05100303b9ed77b78846@[132.236.213.100]>
To: Polley Ann McClure <polley.mcclure@cornell.edu>
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Message-id: <0E3C8FD6-F0D6-11D6-8F60-000393BD6842@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546)
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_eXgtRo9WLY+DVrmq0Jm9OQ)"
X-UIDL: ['!#!RiK"!Hp-!!+9d"!
<x-rich>Thank you.
On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 05:28 AM, Polley Ann McClure wrote:
<excerpt>Jack
Professor Paul Ginsparg is the owner of the physics archive...I've
copied him on this message to facilitate your contact
Polley
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Can
you tell me who at Cornell is running the arXiv archive for physics
e-prints?
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Thank
you.
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Jack
Sarfatti Cornell Class of 1960</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fixed><bigger>--
</bigger></fixed>
Polley Ann McClure, Vice President, Information Technologies
Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
Cornell University
308 Day Hall
Ithaca, NY 14853
607-255-7445
607-254-5333 (fax)
Polley.McClure@cornell.edu
</excerpt>
</x-rich>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:26 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB27B388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:29:02 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk)
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 1896RV-0006o9-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:20:42 +0000
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:20:39 -0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Sender: bdj10@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, creon@nas.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: PS
Message-ID: <1625504.1036513239@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <2EFE10D4-F0D6-11D6-8F60-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
References: <2EFE10D4-F0D6-11D6-8F60-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.1 (Mac OS/PPC)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: jV4"!\G[!!)9%#!kR,"!
Jack -- your message contained a total of 14 attachments, and the text
copied below appears to be all that there was in it. Furthermore, it was
about the 13th. on the list so straightforward reply did not work. Why
this crazy way of doing emails? I am looking to find where I put the exim
email filter manual ... .
Brian
PS: one of your headers says:
> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546)
I suggest you stop using Apple Message framework, whatever that might be --
it is clearly designed especially for pretentious business firms who want
emails to look exactly like letters.
--On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 7:49 am -0800 Theory Group
<jsarfatt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> From: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
> To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, creon@nas.nasa.gov
> Subject: Re: PS
> Date-Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2002 7:49 am -0800
>
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> Professor Paul Ginsparg is the owner of the physics archive...I've copied
> him on this message to facilitate your contact
>
> Polley
>
> Can you tell me who at Cornell is running the arXiv archive for physics
> e-prints?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Jack Sarfatti Cornell Class of 1960
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 04:37 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
>
>> Dear Jack,
>>
>>
>> First of all, I trust my earlier message got to you -- when you are
>> composing a message my mail program stops checking for new mail and
>> the server then thinks you have gone away and disconnects you after a
>> time, and the mail program is not designed to handle this event
>> (sigh!). However, it assured me that the message was sent and it
>> merely was unable to save a copy (which I did manually afterwards).
>>
>> Anyway, I merely wanted to note that if you do a search under my name
>> on quant-ph you will see a somewhat unorthodox paper which did get on
>> to the archive OK (and was subsequently published in BioSystems). It
>> follows that I am not on a blacklist and it was instead the title
>> 'Cold fusion, An Objective Assessment', that triggered off the
>> rejection process.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
>> * Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
>> * Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
>> * Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
>> * * * * * * *
>>
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:26 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E10388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:33:06 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5GOdeA090140;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:24:39 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07726;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:24:39 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC7F05C.9050008@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:22:52 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Cornell blacklist
References: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 63053 gA5GOdeA090140 mailbox2.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: GL7!!Rj5"!5Vd!!:i5!!
Tony I am forwarding this to Paul Ginsparg.
Tony Smith wrote:
>Jack, you ask
>"... Since you are an attorney can we bring a law suit?
>Brian Josephson is part of that black list. ...".
>
>First, I will note that you sent copies of a message to
>several entities at Cornell,
>but I think that you may have omitted
>LIBGATEWAY-L@cornell.edu
>which I think may be technically the administrator of the archives.
>
>
>By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
>the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
>the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
>stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
>for example,
>bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
>are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
>as well as many other places)
>claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
>been abridged without due process.
>The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
>funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
>should be reasonably available to all citizens,
>and
>that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
>include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
>barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
>a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
>be challenged by the citizen.
>
>I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
>outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
>produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
>a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
>outlined above.
>
>If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
>such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
>me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
>to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
>
>Also,
>it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
>in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
>possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
>interests should also be taken into account.
>For example,
>as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
>unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
>aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
>
>The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
>of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
>people is to try to settle individually with those able and
>willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
>I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
>
>Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
>bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
>litigate in two jurisdicitions,
>and
>whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
>the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
>might also be subject to suit in the UK,
>he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
>
>Still another possibility might be suit in an international
>tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
>refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
>my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
>might be preferable.
>
>
>I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
>is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
>non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
>If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
>predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
>
>That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
>of such litigation only with great regret,
>but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
>of a Dark Age of Physics.
>
>I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
>Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
>in a reasonable manner.
>
>Tony 4 Nov 2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:28 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058BE388368
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:16:44 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5H7vMp012023;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:07:57 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22945;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:07:54 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC7FA7E.4050409@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:06:06 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>,
moderation <moderation@arxiv.org>, cunews@cornell.edu,
alumniaffairs@cornell.edu, rc2@cornell.edu, hrr6@cornell.edu,
jk9@cornell.edu, lg16@cornell.edu, deb27@cornell.edu
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, bdj10@cam.ac.uk,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, ginsparg@cornell.edu,
Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>, Stephen Schwartz <karastjepan@yahoo.com>,
Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>
Subject: Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blacklist Dilemma
References: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]> <3DC7F016.2060905@ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 5407 gA5H7vMp012023 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: `b_!!kI0!!oU6!!I(>!!
"A nice dilemma we have here, that calls for all our wit."
Trial by Jury, Gilbert & Sullivan
(BTW I am in these Cornell Savoyard photos from 1958
http://www.rso.cornell.edu/savoyards/58prin.htm as Prince Hilarion, more
Cornell photos are in my books at http://www.1stbooks.com)
"Groupthink is the blight of our Age of Information, and is most
pernicious in our obsolete academic institutions, whose long suicide
since 1967 continues. The study of medicrity, whatever its origins,
breeds mediocrity." Harold Bloom, Timothy Dwight College, Yale in "Genius"
How low Cornell has fallen since I was there Class of 60' :-)
ISEP Theoretical Physics Group wrote:
> Tony,
>
> BTW Professor Paul Ginsparg at Cornell is responsible for arXiv.
>
> Brian asked to see a copy of the paper.
>
> Puthoff's PV gravity paper violating the equivalence principle and
> Diff(4) covariance and Bernie's ZPE origin of inertia paper violating
> QED are both on the arXiv server and they are quite flaky,
> nevertheless they should be on the server for peer comment. There are
> many other obscure badly written papers that reach little significant
> conclusion on the arXiv server which is well and good. Indeed there
> are many such papers in peer-reviewed journals. What we have here is a
> double standard - a black list. Making a category for "Controversial
> Physics" on the arXiv server for topics like cold fusion that Brian
> Josephson complains about, Stapp's & Penrose's consciousness physics
> et-al, and apparently my /\-field physics, which is quite conventional
> BTW based on Peacock's "Cosmological Physics" p.p. 25-26 giving a
> unified explanation for both dark energy and dark matter etc. would
> solve the problem.
>
>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:29 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53087388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:47:31 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk)
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 1897fO-0005Dv-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:39:06 +0000
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:39:03 -0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Sender: bdj10@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>,
rc2@cornell.edu, hrr6@cornell.edu, jk9@cornell.edu, lg16@cornell.edu,
deb27@cornell.edu
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
ginsparg@cornell.edu, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
Stephen Schwartz <karastjepan@yahoo.com>, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>
Subject: Re: Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blacklist
Dilemma
Message-ID: <1908430.1036517943@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <3DC7FA7E.4050409@ucsd.edu>
References: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]>
<3DC7F016.2060905@ucsd.edu> <3DC7FA7E.4050409@ucsd.edu>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.1 (Mac OS/PPC)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: NoA"!aE/"!(OV"!UDG!!
--On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:06 am -0800 ISEP Theoretical Physics Group
<jsarfatt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> How low Cornell has fallen since I was there Class of 60' :-)
Surely we should not blame the whole University for the sins of one
individual? (and we can't be sure that the decision was made at Cornell
either; there are some hints from the archive that these anonymous
decisions are still done at LANL). There is at least one open-minded
person at Cornell (a distinguished physicist, at that).
Brian J.
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:31 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox3.ucsd.edu (mailbox3.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.55])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671DE388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:29:31 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox3.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5JKlJ8046866;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:20:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18795;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:20:46 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC819A2.40504@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:18:58 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: misc. arXiv]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------090107030707070808000905"
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 21256 gA5JKlJ8046866 mailbox3.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: M!g"!JT=!!Pj7"!-l\"!
<html><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">
<title></title>
</head>
<body>
<br>
<br>
-------- Original Message --------
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">Subject: </th>
<td>Re: misc. arXiv</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">Date: </th>
<td>Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:17:58 -0800</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">From: </th>
<td>ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsarfatt@ucsd.edu"><jsarfatt@ucsd.edu></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">To: </th>
<td>Brian Josephson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bdj10@cam.ac.uk"><bdj10@cam.ac.uk></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">CC: </th>
<td>Creon Levit <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:creon@nas.nasa.gov"><creon@nas.nasa.gov></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">References: </th>
<td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:E1896Ve-0005HM-00@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk"><E1896Ve-0005HM-00@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:3DC7F225.4050101@ucsd.edu"><3DC7F225.4050101@ucsd.edu></a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1782238.1036515845@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk"><1782238.1036515845@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk></a></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
<br>
<pre>
Brian Josephson wrote:
> Dear Jack,
>
>
> Thanks for posting your paper so I could see it. I haven't
> studied it in any detail, but the content would seem to not obviously
> crazy. However, the correspondence I had re Storms suggests that what
> triggered the rejection was your non-Kosher 'institutional address'
> ISEP. I suppose your connection with UCSD (what is this, actually?)
> isn't such that you can include something more respectable as the
> address?
No, that was not it. ISEP was not even in the original.
The paper was actually on the archive assigned a number - then pulled
because of a "moderator" whatever that means. It was pulled for content.
As you noticed I kept the paper very straight. Yes, it is not obviously
crazy. Indeed, if I am right it is very important and I would like your
opinion. Of course I may have overlooked something obvious.
It may be wrong or not even wrong that is not the issue of course as
there are many such papers now on the archive and in peer reviewed
journals as we all know the silly academic game of publish or perish.
>
>
> Somewhere on the archive there was mention of reviewing the
> acceptance policies. It may be that a lot of people have been
> unreasonably rejected and there have been other complaints.
I am told there is already a lawsuit against Cornell about a related
matter - do not have the details. I will find out more.
>
>
> Clearly they need to keep some sort of standard up so that pure
> rubbish doesn't come to dominate the archive, but unfortunately the
> means they have adopted to do this are of a blunderbuss character, and
> have not involved any real examination of content.
Yes, that is my point also. Also they have let some really questionable
papers on the archive already, which is OK IMO since peer review would
be valuable for those authors like Haisch, Puthoff and even myself and
others.
>
>
> Sorry about my comments as to multiple attachements, but I have
> not encountered this business of vast numbers of attachments for a
> single message before.
Neither have I. I have asked Creon to look into that as he is an expert.
I will set up Entourage in MAC and ask you to tell me if you have same
problem. I will let you know ahead of time.
Jaguar is a linux based OS I think so I am surprised your system has a
problem with it?
> Two of these in your email were the real message, in ascii and html
> formats (I suppose one has to accept unnecessary html copies now as
> this practice has become so commonplace). There are 4 tiff images,
> which appear to be just coloured bars, and the rest are blank
> textfiles. Possibly you did something wrong and the program thought
> you wanted to send a number of text parts. I should imagine there are
> some configuration options that would allow you to turn off fancy
> things anyway.
I thought I was sending a simple ascii message? Weird. I will have Creon
look at it when he is here.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Brian
>
> --On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 8:30 am -0800 ISEP Theoretical Physics
> Group <jsarfatt @ucsd.edu=""> wrote:
>
>> Brian I tried to send you the rejected arXiv paper you requested. Your
>> server rejected it.
>>
>> I am posting it at
>>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf">http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf</a>
>>
>> http
>>
>> Brian Josephson wrote:
>>
>>> There is a restriction on the size of mail accepted at this email
>>> address. If you have a specific need to send a large email, please
>>> write
>>> to me separately about the situation and I will get back to you as soon
>>> as possible. S
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> * * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bdj10@cam.ac.uk">bdj10@cam.ac.uk</a>
> * Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
> * Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
> * Project * WWW: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10">http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10</a>
> * * * * * * *
>
>
</jsarfatt></pre>
</body>
</html>
</html>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:32 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC32388367
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:55:59 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5JkGVc015745;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:46:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00509;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:46:11 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC81F88.8040305@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:44:08 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.math,sci.astro,sci.physics.relativity
To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: rc2@cornell.edu, hrr6@cornell.edu, jk9@cornell.edu,
lg16@cornell.edu, deb27@cornell.edu, Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
ginsparg@cornell.edu, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
Stephen Schwartz <karastjepan@yahoo.com>, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>,
Congressman Dana <Dana@mail.house.gov>,
"Fawolf@IX. Netcom. Com" <fawolf@ix.netcom.com>,
GeorgeWeis <GeorgeWeis@aol.com>, Ijamieson <ijamieson@netzero.net>,
ItalianPhysicsCenter <ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com>,
Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>, John Dering <JDering@sara.com>,
"Klein@Adage. Berkeley. Edu" <klein@adage.berkeley.edu>,
Kleinert <kleinert@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, Puthoff <Puthoff@aol.com>,
Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, Wes Thomas <west@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Rabbi Solomon's Solution for the Cornell arXiv Blacklist Dilemma
References: <l03102800b9ecfd94da57@[63.210.76.203]> <3DC7F016.2060905@ucsd.edu> <3DC7FA7E.4050409@ucsd.edu> <1908430.1036517943@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 91415 gA5JkGVc015745 mailbox1.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: ciL"!/PN"!)i8!!m\0!!
Brian Josephson wrote:
> --On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:06 am -0800 ISEP Theoretical Physics
> Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> How low Cornell has fallen since I was there Class of 60' :-)
>
>
> Surely we should not blame the whole University for the sins of one
> individual?
Yes, of course you are right. Pardon my Cornell Savoyard tenor bravura!
:-) However, the simple fact remains that technically Cornell is
culpable because it is their server. I am not an attorney, but Tony
Smith is an attorney and a physicist and he is not poor and he is
obviously very upset over what has been happening at arXiv, which is, I
understand at least partially funded with USG dollars from NSF? Tony is
simply using the law to achieve justice. There appears to be a pattern
here and I am told there is one lawsuit against Cornell arXiv already
pending?
Of course certain minimal professional standards must be kept but the
cold fusion paper you sent in and I believe my paper now at
http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf meets those standards. There are
several borderline papers now on the arXiv BTW and I think it is a good
thing they are there.
> (and we can't be sure that the decision was made at Cornell either;
> there are some hints from the archive that these anonymous decisions
> are still done at LANL). There is at least one open-minded person at
> Cornell (a distinguished physicist, at that).
>
> Brian J.
>
> * * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
> * Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
> * Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
> * Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
> * * * * * * *
>
>
Perhaps, so Cornell should not take the fall for LANL and should do the
right thing.
Setting up the category "Controversial Physics" for out of the box
papers by credentialled physicists that are not obviously crackpot and
illiterate is the win-win solution IMO.
I propose that the following topics be allowed under this category:
Physics of consciousness and the paranormal e.g. works by Penrose,
Stapp, Josephson and myself.
Physics of alleged UFO phenomena, e.g. papers by Eric Davis, Hal Puthoff
and other with serious physics credentials.
Cold fusion
Seemingly out of the box cosmological and foundational papers like my
http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf which, while cross-disciplinary
encompassing condensed matter physics with general relativity is quite
conservative, and which purports to solve the "UV catastrophe" of 21st
Century Physics.
For the historical record and to set the context, Tony Smith wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Smith [mailto:tsmith@innerx.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 PM
> To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu; sarfatti@pacbell.net; sarfatti@well.com
> Cc: tsmith@innerx.net; creon@nas.nasa.gov; bdj10@cam.ac.uk
> Subject: Cornell blacklist
> ......
>
>
> By coincidence earlier today (Monday 4 Nov 2002) I discussed
> the Cornell blacklist with an attorney friend of mine about
> the possibly bringing a suit. We are only in the initial
> stages of discussing possible legal approaches, such as,
> for example,
> bringing a federal suit here in Georgia (because the archives
> are all over the internet and therefore are here in Georgia,
> as well as many other places)
> claiming that my constitutional right of free speech has
> been abridged without due process.
> The right of free speech is based on the idea that any federally
> funded (even in part, as are the archives) organ of expression
> should be reasonably available to all citizens,
> and
> that any criteria barring (or blacklisting) any citizen must
> include a due process procedure whereby the citizen who is
> barred (or blacklisted) is put on notice why and then given
> a reasonable forum in which the barring (or blacklisting) can
> be challenged by the citizen.
>
> I am just beginning research on the legal issues, but that
> outline sounds reasonable to me so far, and if legal research
> produces the results that I expect, then I expect to bring such
> a lawsuit unless Cornell voluntarily complies with the criteria
> outlined above.
>
> If you and/or Brian Josephson would like to participate in
> such a suit, or have any alternative suggestions, please let
> me know. I think that whatever each of us eventually decides
> to do, it would be good to act in a coordinated manner.
>
> Also,
> it may appear that other blacklisted people might be interested
> in the outcome (Carlos Castro is one friend of mine who might
> possibly also be on the blacklist), so that I think that their
> interests should also be taken into account.
> For example,
> as of now I would NOT settle voluntarily individually with Cornell
> unless Cornell sets up a reasonable procedure whereby any
> aggrieved individual has a way to contest being blacklisted.
>
> The reason that I bring up that point is that a standard tactic
> of defendants in situations where there may be many aggrieved
> people is to try to settle individually with those able and
> willing to sue, and to continue to abuse those with lesser resources.
> I will not be a party to such a resolution of my individual case.
>
> Some tactical matters to consider might be whether you might
> bring a similar suit in California, thus forcing Cornell to
> litigate in two jurisdicitions,
> and
> whether, since Brian Josephson is a UK citizen, and since
> the archives (by virtue of being all over the internet)
> might also be subject to suit in the UK,
> he might want to bring a suit in the UK as well.
>
> Still another possibility might be suit in an international
> tribunal, but since the US (and possibly the UK) often
> refuse to recognize adverse rulings from international tribunals,
> my current feeling is that multiple suits in different jurisdictions
> might be preferable.
>
>
> I will say that I deeply regret that the physics "establishment"
> is so insecure that it acts so strongly against sincere but
> non-establishment workers such as Brian Josephson, you, and me.
> If such practices as the Cornell blacklist are allowed to
> predominate, then physics may be entering a Dark Age of Physics.
>
> That is why I can accurately say that I entertain the possibility
> of such litigation only with great regret,
> but as of now I see no other way to avoid the dictatorial repression
> of a Dark Age of Physics.
>
> I still hope (although day by day my hope is dwindling) that
> Cornell might come to its senses and administer the archives
> in a reasonable manner.
>
> Tony 4 Nov 2002
>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:36 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606A9388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:51:16 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5MgpMp086657;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:42:51 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06755;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:42:50 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DC848FB.1080707@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:41:00 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: misc. arXiv
References: <167296.3245520562@line138.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk> <3DC84783.6090908@ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 47669 gA5MgpMp086657 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: ;p*#!Ig6"!2>"#!oKR!!
Tony data for your legal case:
ISEP Theoretical Physics Group wrote:
>
>
> Brian Josephson wrote:
>
>> --On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 11:17 -0800 ISEP Theoretical Physics
>> Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>
>> < I suppose your connection with UCSD (what is this, actually?)
>>
>>>> isn't such that you can include something more respectable as the
>>>> address?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, that was not it. ISEP was not even in the original.
>>
>>
>>
>> What address was given, then? The absence of a recognised academic
>> address would have the same effect as a 'dubious' one.
>>
>>>
>>> The paper was actually on the archive assigned a number - then pulled
>>> because of a "moderator" whatever that means. It was pulled for
>>> content.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the standard process. An automatic mechanism assigns a
>> number initially, and then a human being puts it into the archive at
>> the end of the day, having checked it out first. If a paper is
>> pulled, a renumbering process occurs so that people don't realise the
>> censor has been at work.
>>
>>
>>> As you noticed I kept the paper very straight. Yes, it is not obviously
>>> crazy. Indeed, if I am right it is very important and I would like your
>>> opinion. Of course I may have overlooked something obvious.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's beyond my competence, but I'll see if I can find someone who
>> knows about it.
>
>
>
> Thanks, but I think you can follow it. Actually it has a close
> connection to the Josephson Effect.
>
> Take, for example, the 3-current density
>
> J = |Psi|^2[(h/m)Grad(argPsi) - (2e/mc)A]
> For a quantum fluid with order parameter Psi
>
> Now imagine in 4-vector notation
>
> Zu = Lp^2[argPsi,u - (2e/hc)Au]
>
> ,u is ordinary partial derivative
>
> Lp^2 = hG/c^3
>
> Zu is a "length".
>
> I interpret it as Hagen Kleinert's World Crystal Distortion field.
>
> http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~kleinert/
>
> Following Kleinert, Einstein's metric is the elastic strain tensor of
> the World Crystal lattice with unit cells ~ Lp
>
> guv = (1/2)[Zu,v + Zv,u]
>
> That's one key idea going from the macroquantum fluid to the
> macroquantum elastic world crystal in 4D.
>
> The next idea is what is Psi?
>
> Psi is the cohering of the Dirac vacuum polarization zero point e+-e-
> fluctuations like in BCS theory.
>
> We do not need a virtual phonon exchange like in BCS because we
> already have the virtual photon since unlike charges attract.
>
> That is, Psi is the off-mass shell coherence of the virtual e+-e- pairs.
>
> Therefore, Einstein's gravity comes from Josephson phase modulation of
> the macroquantum World Crystal.
>
> Similarly, from "two fluid model" heuristics for the number densities:
>
> 1/Lp^3 ~ superfluid density + normal fluid density
>
> /\ = (1/Lp)^2 [1 - Lp^3|Psi|^2]
>
> Where net residual normal fluid ZPE fluctuations form the quintessent
> field /\.
>
> normal fluid density of the vacuum = /\/Lp
>
> /\ > 0 is "dark energy" (repulsive)
>
> /\ < 0 is "dark matter" (attractive)
>
> using GR sign conventions of John Peacock's "Cosmological Physics" Ch
> 1 where
>
> Guv + /\guv = -8pi(G/c^4)Tuv
>
> That's my idea. Simple! ;-)
>
> Also a covariant Landau-Ginzburg equation for Psi with Goldstone
> broken symmetry.
>
>>
>>>
>>> It may be wrong or not even wrong that is not the issue of course as
>>> there are many such papers now on the archive and in peer reviewed
>>> journals as we all know the silly academic game of publish or perish.
>>>
>> Indeed so!
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my comments as to multiple attachements, but I have
>>>> not encountered this business of vast numbers of attachments for a
>>>> single message before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Neither have I. I have asked Creon to look into that as he is an
>>> expert.
>>> I will set up Entourage in MAC and ask you to tell me if you have same
>>> problem. I will let you know ahead of time. Jaguar is a linux based
>>> OS I
>>> think so I am surprised your system has a problem with it?
>>
>>
>>
>> It does not have a 'problem' with it -- the plain fact is that your
>> email did consist of a collection of attachments. It may clarify the
>> situation if I point out that the actual code sent over the internet
>> starts with a set of headers. These may include something like
>>
>>> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C284AC.89E93A80"
>>
>>
>>
>> which tells the mail program that it is a collection of parts, with
>> the cod in the second line used to indicate when one part ends and
>> the next part begins. Each part has a content type (a MIME type such
>> as application/msword) itself, indicating for example if it is text
>> or a file to be read by a program, so the mail program can know what
>> to do with it. The mail program hides these details, some doing more
>> interpretation than others (some dangerous programs will open up the
>> attachments automatically!). It seems that the setup you have is
>> doing something very fancy in composing emails, which special
>> programs might handle transparently but others not. One wonders if
>> Apple may be doing a Gates, making things more awkward for people
>> using non-Apple software (I use a non-Apple mail client program,
>> running on a Mac). If so, it is an unfortunate development.
>>
>> Brian
>
>
>
> I am an idiot on that stuff. I will have Creon look at that message on
> my MAC. I was using the latest Jaguar OS X MAIL Program that comes
> with the computer - not a 3rd party program. It looked like a simple
> text message on my screen without any graphics.
>
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
>> * Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
>> * Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
>> * Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
>> * * * * * * *
>>
>
>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 17:56:39 2002
Return-Path: <lark1@ozline.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from ns1.ozline (216-136-29-249.gen.twtelecom.net [216.136.29.249])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3AF388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:02:41 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from c (64-132-254-126.gen.twtelecom.net [64.132.254.126]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id WD5N6Q0C; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:54:10 -0500
From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <lark1@ozline.net>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:14 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: new page
Reply-To: lark1@ozline.net
Message-ID: <3DC8067A.5568.1FA5056@localhost>
Priority: normal
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body
X-UIDL: O0a!!JgB"!3l]"!"NV"!
Dear Tony,
Check
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/bogdanov3.htm
Best wishes,
ark
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 18:09:41 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk (orange.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.77])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ADA388382
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:14:28 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from line148.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.148])
by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 189Clt-0003HH-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:06:09 +0000
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:09:11 +0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "moderation for arXiv.org" <moderation@arXiv.org>
Cc: sarfatti@well.com, tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
Message-ID: <134022.3245526551@line148.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOCEBFDDAA.sarfatti@well.com>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: mm^!!Ro5"!F\~"!][T"!
--On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 13:09 -0800 Jack Sarfatti
<sarfatti@well.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moderation for arXiv.org [mailto:moderation@arXiv.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: sarfatti@well.com
> Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
>
> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
I find this response to Dr. Sarfatti bizarre! UCSD stands for the
University of California, San Diego, as I believe most physicists know, and
if you look on their list of departmental contacts at
http://www-ogsr.ucsd.edu/admissions/programs/index.asp
you will find a number of departments there with ucsd.edu email addresses,
including neuroscience at neurograd@ucsd.edu, psychology at
rjwoods@ucsd.edu, and structural engineering at lfloyd@ucsd.edu. ucsd.edu
must be considered a current insitutional affiliation if prospective
students are currently being asked to contact such addresses (which appear
to include personal email addresses as well as generic ones). Recent
correspondence both with Dr. Sarfatti and with myself suggests some loss of
contact with reality on your part, and I would really recommend that you
take a break from monitoring the archive and hand the job over to someone
who feels able to tackle it in a more detached and objective manner. I
mean this quite seriously, feeling quite concerned at this point about what
I see.
Regards and good wishes, Brian Josephson
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 19:24:24 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290DD388367
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:34:55 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5400BG2MG9U9@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
05 Nov 2002 15:26:38 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:24:43 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: RE: arXiv Cornell blacklist issue escalating
In-reply-to: <a05200f09b9edf770edba@[192.168.1.101]>
To: Peter Lepage <gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, "Bdj10@Cam. Ac. Uk" <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>, ginsparg@cornell.edu,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
APOLLINAIR <APOLLINAIR@aol.com>,
Congressman Dana <Dana@mail.house.gov>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>, Hpstapp <hpstapp@lbl.gov>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>, Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOIECCDDAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_hbkCHedMtDmxj9laTPYIsw)"
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: %TR!!I8;"!:E^"!SC^!!
<html><!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C284DF.769BA340">
<title>Re: arXiv Cornell blacklist issue escalating</title>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
<o:RelyOnVML/>
<o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
</o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<w:WordDocument>
<w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom>
<w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
<w:EnvelopeVis/>
</w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;
mso-font-charset:0;
mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
mso-font-pitch:variable;
mso-font-signature:553679495 -2147483648 8 0 66047 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{mso-style-parent:"";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
pre
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";}
span.EmailStyle16
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
mso-header-margin:.5in;
mso-footer-margin:.5in;
mso-paper-source:0;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body lang=EN-US style='tab-interval:.5in'>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Peter Lepage [mailto:gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 05, 2002
2:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> sarfatti@well.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> ginsparg@cornell.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: arXiv Cornell
blacklist issue escalating</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I won't. The
Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,
that is valuable information.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Who
exactly does control this elusive “arXiv policy” with mysterious no-names like “moderation”?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This is
more secret than the NSA and CIA it appears. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>BTW: Hats
off to CIA today for getting those bastards who attacked USS Cole. <br>
That’s one for The Gipper!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle16><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter Lepage</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Dear Prof.
LePage</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Will you talk to
Ginsparg about this?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Thank you.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Jack Sarfatti,
Cornell Physics Class of 1960 BA</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Physics PhD from
UCR.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>FYI Me to I
think Ginsparg?:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Hey not so fast.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Are you talking
to me?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>You are not off
the hook that easily.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>We refuse to sit
in the back of the bus.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>I was at Cornell
during the Mississippi Freedom Rides in the 60's.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>This issue is
escalating and you are blowing it badly.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>There are
lawyers involved and there is money to pay them.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>How long will
you hide behind that alias "moderation"?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Do you have a
name or am I talking to a computer?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Do you have a
soul?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Do you have any
sense of morality and justice? ;-)</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>What does your
stonewall remark mean exactly?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>You mean your
rejection is not based on the content of
http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf ?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>This is
obviously arbitrary discrimination and is unethical on your part by mainstream
scientific standards on freedom of information.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>You should
expect a class action lawsuit in Federal Court from attorney/physicist Tony
Smith for violation of Civil Rights and First Amendment using USG funds as well
news stories in mainstream media.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Cornell may be a
private institution, but if it is using NSF money for arXiv there is a problem
- or so I am told by two attorneys.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>You have, for
example, included papers on the archive from Hal Puthoff's Institute for
Advanced Studies as well as Bernie Haisch's California Institute of Physics AKA
CIPA - neither are universities, both are private 501 c 3 educational think
tanks with exactly the same legal status of my ISEP, which is registered as a
tax exempt educational corporation with the State Attorney General of
California. Therefore, this is a double standard in clear violation of Federal
Law.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>cc. Civil
attorneys and Office of State of California Attorney General Investigations</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>From: moderation
for arXiv.org [mailto:moderation@arXiv.org]</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Sent: Tuesday,
November 05, 2002 12:33 PM</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To:
sarfatti@well.com</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Subject: RE:
gr-qc/0211011</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>ucsd.edu is not
a current institutional affiliation.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>You are free to
submit your work to a conventional journal.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Note that
Cornell University is a private institution.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Thank you for
your interest.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><x-sigsep>-- </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
</x-sigsep>------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Peter Lepage, Chair (on leave 8/02-12/02) and Professor of Physics<br>
328 Newman Laboratory, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853<br>
tel:
607-255-5151
fax: 607-254-4552<br>
gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>
</html>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 19:24:27 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A126388366
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:43:32 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user ([63.198.176.106])
by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with SMTP id <0H5400CJ1MURF9@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Tue,
05 Nov 2002 15:35:15 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:33:24 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: FW: gr-qc/0211011
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>,
alumniaffairs@cornell.edu, cunews@cornell.edu
Cc: Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>, Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>,
Puthoff <Puthoff@aol.com>, MindForms <MindForms@aol.com>,
Lloyd Carter <lcarter0i@attbi.com>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>,
"Ginsparg@Cornell. Edu" <ginsparg@cornell.edu>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: sarfatti@well.com
Message-id: <KBEEJDLDBFCHFBBFHDOOCECEDDAA.sarfatti@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Importance: Normal
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
X-UIDL: /fT"!_TS"!2X;"!Q`+!!
;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Josephson [mailto:bdj10@cam.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:09 PM
To: moderation for arXiv.org
Cc: sarfatti@well.com; tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
--On Tuesday, November 5, 2002 13:09 -0800 Jack Sarfatti
<sarfatti@well.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moderation for arXiv.org [mailto:moderation@arXiv.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: sarfatti@well.com
> Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
>
> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
I find this response to Dr. Sarfatti bizarre! UCSD stands for the
University of California, San Diego, as I believe most physicists know, and
if you look on their list of departmental contacts at
http://www-ogsr.ucsd.edu/admissions/programs/index.asp
you will find a number of departments there with ucsd.edu email addresses,
including neuroscience at neurograd@ucsd.edu, psychology at
rjwoods@ucsd.edu, and structural engineering at lfloyd@ucsd.edu. ucsd.edu
must be considered a current insitutional affiliation if prospective
students are currently being asked to contact such addresses (which appear
to include personal email addresses as well as generic ones). Recent
correspondence both with Dr. Sarfatti and with myself suggests some loss of
contact with reality on your part, and I would really recommend that you
take a break from monitoring the archive and hand the job over to someone
who feels able to tackle it in a more detached and objective manner. I
mean this quite seriously, feeling quite concerned at this point about what
I see.
Regards and good wishes, Brian Josephson
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 19:24:29 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9E6388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:30:49 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.21.176] (dialup-65.58.21.176.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.21.176])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C047A10E370
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:29:28 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ee022c5541@[65.58.21.128]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:24:06 -0500
To: tsmith@innerx.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: copy of JSar msg w/o attchmt
X-UIDL: 7,1!!%b3"!4h""!3U0"!
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:49:35 -0800
Subject: Re: PS
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546)
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, creon@nas.nasa.gov
To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
From: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 40380 gA5FnaMp061872 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
...
Jack
Professor Paul Ginsparg is the owner of the physics archive...I've copied
him on this message to facilitate your contact
Polley
Can you tell me who at Cornell is running the arXiv archive for physics
e-prints?
Thank you.
Jack Sarfatti Cornell Class of 1960
On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 04:37 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
>Dear Jack,
>
>
> First of all, I trust my earlier message got to you -- when you are
>composing a message my mail program stops checking for new mail and the
>server then thinks you have gone away and disconnects you after a time,
>and the mail program is not designed to handle this event (sigh!).
>However, it assured me that the message was sent and it merely was unable
>to save a copy (which I did manually afterwards).
>
> Anyway, I merely wanted to note that if you do a search under my
>name on quant-ph you will see a somewhat unorthodox paper which did get on
>to the archive OK (and was subsequently published in BioSystems). It
>follows that I am not on a blacklist and it was instead the title 'Cold
>fusion, An Objective Assessment', that triggered off the rejection process.
>
>Brian
>
>Brian
>
>
>* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
>* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
>* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
>* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
>* * * * * * *
>
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 19:24:30 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B06388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:30:55 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.21.176] (dialup-65.58.21.176.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.21.176])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB5510E370
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:29:34 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102801b9ee02a671f8@[65.58.21.128]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:24:15 -0500
To: tsmith@innerx.net
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: copy of msg from ISEP w/o attchmt
X-UIDL: -M0"!K?:!!~9b"!k?j!!
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:21:42 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1)
Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: bdj10@cam.ac.uk, Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"Bschwartz@Gc. Cuny. Edu" <bschwartz@gc.cuny.edu>,
Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>, Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
Ron Pandolfi <pandolfi@zzapp.org>, ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: rejected arXiv paper attached
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.6 67384 gA5GNpMp081367 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
Status: U
Tony,
BTW Professor Paul Ginsparg at Cornell is responsible for arXiv.
Brian asked to see a copy of the paper.
Puthoff's PV gravity paper violating the equivalence principle and
Diff(4) covariance and Bernie's ZPE origin of inertia paper violating
QED are both on the arXiv server and they are quite flaky, nevertheless
they should be on the server for peer comment. There are many other
obscure badly written papers that reach little significant conclusion on
the arXiv server which is well and good. Indeed there are many such
papers in peer-reviewed journals. What we have here is a double standard
- a black list. Making a category for "Controversial Physics" on the
arXiv server for topics like cold fusion, Stapp's & Penrose's
consciousness physics et-al, and apparently my /\-field physics, which
is quite conventional BTW based on Peacock's "Cosmological Physics" p.p.
25-26 giving a unified explanation for both dark energy and dark matter
- can appear.
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 22:12:28 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.3])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE622388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:07:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:59:25 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:59:21 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, a_schoeller@hotmail.com,
lantzmiller@hotmail.com
Cc: handyman@ctsps.cau.edu, maribel_handy@yahoo.com,
labaquero@isa.com.co
Subject: Law suit against Los Alamos-Cornell
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:59:21 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F3lj8Jecd92bXCH5n0000000390@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 00:59:25.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFF29B20:01C2852F]
X-UIDL: SAT!!Z>G!!-M"#!eco!!
Dear Tony, Alfred and Lantz ( Carlos, Maribel and Luis Alberto ) :
If you need anything from me to bring about a lawsuit against Gisnparg ,
Los Alamos and Cornell ,
please let me know.
I am willing to participate. I am a US citizen.
It seems that we can gather a lot of signatures from black listed people
from Los Alamos
to get involved.
How much money will the lawsuit cost ? Can we file it as class-action
lawsuit ?
Lantz will love to write about it in the neswpaper . Especially because
Ginsparg received a 500, 000 $ MacArthur Grant when people like us, with
NEW ideas in Physics are black listed. Which is contrary to the spirit of
MacArthur himself who was looking for innovators and unorthodox views of the
world.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 22:12:31 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f14.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.14])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD45A388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:47:59 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:39:44 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:39:43 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net, labaquero@isa.com.co, lantzmiller@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Response to your proof of RH
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:39:43 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F14ciPXkmCJiLyNfHgI000054fc@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 01:39:44.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[61DE8890:01C28535]
X-UIDL: o=p!!V>R"!HQ("!>@8"!
Hola Jorge ( Tony and Alfred , Luis Alberto , Lantz ) :
Please read this important message below from Alfred.
Jorge and I sent a revised version to Annals of Mathematics in Princeton
with an EVEN STRONGER
and devastating argument in our favour of our proof of the Riemann
Hypothesis.
What are they going to say ??? Who knows.
Jorge is sending a replacement to Los Alamos .
It was a holiday in Medellin so he could not do it on Monday.
We have NOT heard ANYTHING from Princeton nor ANYBODY after two months
It is unbelievable !!!! I cannot believe that John Baez did not have the
courtesy to ask us :
What do we think of the proof of the RH ??? or to tell us WHAT he thinks ?
Anybody with a basic understanding of QM can understand this proof. Any
undergraduate in Math or Physics can.
Wait for the replacement. It is much better and CRYSTAL clear.
Best wishes
Carlos
Dear Carlos!
Your proof of the Riemann hypothesis is noticed from the net math community.
I found several people asking the specialists for help -like John Baez (who
accused Dimi and looks real arrogant on a net photo) below. Did the peer
review panel respond? Alfred
Subject: proof of the Riemann hypothesis
Author: John Baez <baez@math.removethis.ucr.andthis.edu>
Date Posted: Sep 2 2002 10:11:05:000PM
So, what do people think of this "proof of the Riemann hypothesis"?
Amusingly, it appeared on the physics rather than the math archive.
Paper: hep-th/0208221
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:24:42 GMT (15kb)
Title: Final steps towards a proof of the Riemann hypothesis
Authors: Carlos Castro, Jorge Mahecha
Comments: Latex file, 15 pages, submitted to Annals of Mathematics
_________________________________________________________________
Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!Ý Try MSN.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 22:30:08 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45784388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:35:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.189.71] (dialup-209.246.189.71.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.189.71])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 40D6C10E2D2; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:33:48 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ee3a2e7dda@[65.58.21.176]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:28:31 -0500
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: revised paper is up
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: EED!!h>p"!h"F!!d(Y!!
Carlos and Jorge, your new Riemann hypothesis paper is now up at
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th?0208221
I will be interested to see what the Annals of Math
referees say about it.
The general approach of looking at eigenfunctions
of operators may go back to Polya and Hilbert,
because Connes said in
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/math.NT/9811068
"... "... It is an old idea, due to Polya and Hilbert
that in order to understand the location of the zeros
of the Riemann zeta function, one should find a Hilbert
space H and an operator D in H whose spectrum is given
by the non trivial zeros of the zeta function. ...".
Since your general approach follows those lines,
it is puzzling to me that anybody would dismiss
your paper out of hand without checking its details.
If you are shown by detailed checking to
be error-free and correct, then it will be interesting
to see how Cornell (Ginsparg) explains his putting
you on the blacklist.
Tony 5 Nov 2002
PS - Also, don't forget the Clay prize:
http://www.claymath.org/prizeproblems/riemann.htm
I hope that the details are verified and that you win it.
From ???@??? Wed Nov 06 00:39:13 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5577A388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:45:25 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.183.7] (dialup-209.246.183.7.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.183.7])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 3D20310E34F; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:44:04 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9ee54543d37@[209.246.189.71]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:38:49 -0500
To: sarfatti@well.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: information
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: +na!!PD*!!"[B"!<_b"!
Jack, thanks very much for some interesting information.
Due to formatting problems with the message that I received
from you, I cannot tell who is saying what in the following:
----------------------------------------------------------
From: Peter Lepage [mailto:gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:36 PM
To: sarfatti@well.com
Cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: arXiv Cornell blacklist issue escalating
I won't. The Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy.
Thanks, that is valuable information.
Who exactly does control this elusive arXiv policy with mysterious
no-names like moderation ?
This is more secret than the NSA and CIA it appears. ;-)
BTW: Hats off to CIA today for getting those bastards who attacked USS Cole.
That s one for The Gipper!
Peter Lepage
-----------------------------------------------------------
Could you please clarify who is saying each of the lines
in the above?
Something very interesting is the following:
----------------------------------------------------------
From: moderation for arXiv.org [mailto:moderation@arXiv.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:33 PM
To: sarfatti@well.com
Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
Note that Cornell University is a private institution.
Thank you for your interest.
----------------------------------------------------------
I think that "moderation" means that he has determined
(how, he doesn't say) that you are not currently affiliated with UCSD.
When the archives were rejecting me, they refused to
allow my alumni.princeton.edu e-mail address by saying
"... Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation. ...".
The remark about being free to submit to a conventional journal
is irrelevant, because no conventional journal provides anything
approximating the fast publication and wide readership of the archives.
The remark "Thank you for your interest" probably is
intended to mean, as directed to you, "Fuck you".
However,
the most interesting line is
"... Cornell University is a private institution. ...".
In fact (as you probably know) that is not entirely true.
Cornell is NOT a purely private institution.
Accroding to the web page
http://www.info.cornell.edu/CUFACTS/
"... College of Agriculture and Life Sciences*
...[is a]...
... * New York State-assisted unit. ...".
Further,
the unit of Cornell that is technically the administator
of the archives says, on its web page
http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/gateway.html
that it also administers library stuff for
"... Science and Technology
... Agriculture ..."
with a link from the word "Agriculture" to
http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/subj.cgi?subject=Agriculture
In other words, the entity that administers the archives
not only gets money from NSF, but also from the State of New York.
Since it is possible that New York has some laws that may be
relevant, and since I am not a member of the New York bar,
I am plan to consult with a law firm that has offices in
both Georgia and New York.
A New York office might also be useful in dealing with
the Cornell legal department (if and when "moderation" or
whatever decides to let the Cornell lawyers know what
is going on.
I will keep you posted as to progress.
Tony 6 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Wed Nov 06 01:19:38 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.46])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92958388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:03:58 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:55:44 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 05:55:44 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net
Subject: Re: revised paper is up
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 05:55:44 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F461qdiixjnzi95HfqR00000b8a@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 05:55:44.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[259DD740:01C28559]
X-UIDL: BS]!!I9`"!!'(!!Sk"#!
Dear Tony :
Thank you for letting me know.
Yes, wouldn' t be amazing if our proof was fully correct ? What will
Ginsparg et al say then ????
Let me know if you need anything concerning anything you may want to do
pertaing this battle.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
From ???@??? Wed Nov 06 10:23:48 2002
Return-Path: <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f16.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.16])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32314388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:44:39 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:36:27 -0800
Received: from 193.154.4.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:36:24 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [193.154.4.34]
From: "alfred schoeller" <a_schoeller@hotmail.com>
To: perelmanc@hotmail.com, tsmith@innerx.net, lantzmiller@hotmail.com
Cc: handyman@ctsps.cau.edu, maribel_handy@yahoo.com,
labaquero@isa.com.co
Subject: Re: Law suit against Los Alamos-Cornell
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:36:24 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F16mF1IT18olkDTM9wG0000037f@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 09:36:27.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAAFE8B0:01C28577]
X-UIDL: ^i,#!~f3!!Xi`!!+K*#!
Dear friends:
My monthly income is about 1300 US (enough for one hour of an US laywer)?
Seriously, Lantz (most eloquent) should formulate an article (Times Magazine
or whatever he thinks is proper) and we add all our knowledge (I could
contribute the e-mail correspondance with Austrian professors accusing
Carlos not having published anything, being allergic against a new
relativity theory or discouraging his Mistelbach lecture). Secondly we
should pressure Ginsparg and others (MacArthur Foundation) via compromising
e-mails.
Honestly, I am afraid that since 9/11 the US society has hardened
significantly and does not care about censorship;
TIMES ARE NOT GOOD (also in Europe democracy is on the decline).
Alfred
_________________________________________________________________
Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 00:28:39 2002
Return-Path: <sarfatti@well.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F9F388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:45:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from well.com ([63.198.176.106])
by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001))
with ESMTP id <0H5600EPJ3QKTC@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for tsmith@innerx.net; Wed,
06 Nov 2002 10:37:32 -0800 (PST)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:37:35 -0800
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@well.com>
Subject: Re: information
In-reply-to: <l03102800b9ee54543d37@[209.246.189.71]>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Message-id: <D17BB552-F1B6-11D6-85AE-000393BD6842@well.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546)
Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-UIDL: _=K"!/b+"!JL&!!~,G!!
On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 09:38 PM, Tony Smith wrote:
> Jack, thanks very much for some interesting information.
>
> Due to formatting problems with the message that I received
> from you, I cannot tell who is saying what in the following:
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: Peter Lepage [mailto:gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:36 PM
> To: sarfatti@well.com
> Cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: arXiv Cornell blacklist issue escalating
>
> Lepage says: I won't. The Physics Department has no say over arXiv
> policy.
>
> Jack says: Thanks, that is valuable information.
>
> Who exactly does control this elusive arXiv policy with mysterious
> no-names like moderation ?
>
> This is more secret than the NSA and CIA it appears. ;-)
>
> BTW: Hats off to CIA today for getting those bastards who attacked USS
> Cole.
> That s one for The Gipper!
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Could you please clarify who is saying each of the lines
> in the above?
>
>
> Something very interesting is the following:
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: moderation for arXiv.org [mailto:moderation@arXiv.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: sarfatti@well.com
> Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
>
> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
>
> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>
> Note that Cornell University is a private institution.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I think that "moderation" means that he has determined
> (how, he doesn't say) that you are not currently affiliated with UCSD.
> When the archives were rejecting me, they refused to
> allow my alumni.princeton.edu e-mail address by saying
> "... Alumni addresses do not count as current affiliation. ...".
>
> The remark about being free to submit to a conventional journal
> is irrelevant, because no conventional journal provides anything
> approximating the fast publication and wide readership of the archives.
>
> The remark "Thank you for your interest" probably is
> intended to mean, as directed to you, "Fuck you".
>
>
> However,
> the most interesting line is
> "... Cornell University is a private institution. ...".
>
> In fact (as you probably know) that is not entirely true.
> Cornell is NOT a purely private institution.
>
> Accroding to the web page
> http://www.info.cornell.edu/CUFACTS/
> "... College of Agriculture and Life Sciences*
> ...[is a]...
> ... * New York State-assisted unit. ...".
> Further,
> the unit of Cornell that is technically the administator
> of the archives says, on its web page
> http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/gateway.html
> that it also administers library stuff for
> "... Science and Technology
> ... Agriculture ..."
> with a link from the word "Agriculture" to
> http://campusgw.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/
> subj.cgi?subject=Agriculture
>
> In other words, the entity that administers the archives
> not only gets money from NSF, but also from the State of New York.
>
> Since it is possible that New York has some laws that may be
> relevant, and since I am not a member of the New York bar,
> I am plan to consult with a law firm that has offices in
> both Georgia and New York.
> A New York office might also be useful in dealing with
> the Cornell legal department (if and when "moderation" or
> whatever decides to let the Cornell lawyers know what
> is going on.
>
> I will keep you posted as to progress.
>
> Tony 6 Nov 2002
>
>
>
>
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 00:28:43 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f102.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.102])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C9E388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:34:30 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:26:24 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:26:22 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: edgar@math.ohio-state.edu, tsmith@innerx.net,
labaquero@isa.com.co, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com,
hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx
Cc: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Humour of Castro's papers
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:26:22 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F102C6XcL4hsT9JMLfS00001693@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 23:26:24.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3F85F0:01C285EB]
X-UIDL: I6*!!0SU"!]2i!!F`j!!
Dear Edgar :
I was very amused at your wonderful sense of humour about the reading of
Castro's papers for humour.
I also read Castro's papers with great humour. Perhaps we should pay him
for amusing us.
Have you told him this ? Perhaps he himself might be more amused than you
and I have been.
In the meantime, before you tell him, you and I will keep on laughing .
Sincerely
Carlos Perelman
_________________________________________________________________
Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 04:43:11 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.46])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B086388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:56:02 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:48:00 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:47:53 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, labaquero@isa.com.co, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com,
hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx
Cc: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Quantum Gravity at last
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:47:53 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F46FkBfMPAFcdnksMhG00000677@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 06:48:00.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CAC8BD0:01C28629]
X-UIDL: KDd!!)/8!!4][!!R6d"!
Dear Friends :
I have just finished the paper :
On Maximal-Acceleration, Strings and the Group of Minimal Planck-Area
Relativity Theory
This paper is NO joke . Now I can finally peer into the window of what
Quantum Gravity may be all about.
For some reasons, the pdf file that Haret helped me with, came out
corrupted.
There is something strange because the pdf file omits many, many symbols.
This has happened before.
Maxwell' Demon is lurking ...
I had to send it to Jorge from my friend's account in Santa Barbara.
This is the most IMPORTANT paper I have ever written.
In Spanish we have a proverb : " El que rie ultimo, rie mejor " .
Which is basically having the last laughter.
I will forget about amusing these people. They are petty and evil children.
Doing creative work and to write and write papers is the way to teach these
children
a lesson of humility and humanity.
This last paper that I just finished is the beginning of that lesson.
I hope Jorge has no problems in posting it in Los Alamos.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 04:43:13 2002
Return-Path: <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from hotmail.com (f99.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.99])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF44388365
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:18:04 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:10:02 -0800
Received: from 68.6.89.142 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:10:02 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [68.6.89.142]
From: "Carlos Perelman" <perelmanc@hotmail.com>
To: tsmith@innerx.net, labaquero@isa.com.co, jorge_mahecha@yahoo.com,
hcr@titan.ipicyt.edu.mx
Cc: a_schoeller@hotmail.com, lantzmiller@hotmail.com,
boedo@gav.gat.com
Subject: Quantum Gravity at last
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:10:02 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F99Aoa2JB1ndcx3Vp2000000310@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 08:10:02.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[12DBAB50:01C28635]
X-UIDL: _')"!DO##!8M>!!+>J"!
Dear Friends :
I have just finished the paper :
On Maximal-Acceleration, Strings and the Group of Minimal Planck-Area
Relativity Theory
This paper is NO joke . Now I can finally peer into the window of what
Quantum Gravity may be all about.
For some reasons, the pdf file that Haret helped me with, came out
corrupted.
There is something strange because the pdf file omits many, many symbols.
This has happened before.
Maxwell' Demon is lurking ...
I had to send it to Jorge from my friend's account in Santa Barbara.
This is the most IMPORTANT paper I have ever written.
In Spanish we have a proverb : " El que rie ultimo, rie mejor " .
Which is basically having the last laughter.
I will forget about amusing these people. They are petty and evil children.
Doing creative work and to write and write papers is the way to teach these
children
a lesson of humility and humanity.
This last paper that I just finished is the beginning of that lesson.
I hope Jorge has no problems in posting it in Los Alamos.
Best wishes
Carlos
_________________________________________________________________
STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 11:39:33 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40BC388360
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:45:41 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [65.58.16.195] (dialup-65.58.16.195.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [65.58.16.195])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 7279310E24F; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:23 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9f036880b2b@[209.246.183.7]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:39:21 -0500
To: sarfatti@well.com
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: some questions, etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: \j/!!f6X"!$K&"!3?=!!
Jack, thanks for making it clear that the entire Peter Lepage
messaage to you (with copy to ginsparg@cornell.edu) was
"...
I won't. The Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy.
Peter Lepage
Peter Lepage, Chair (on leave 8/02-12/02) and Professor of Physics
328 Newman Laboratory, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
tel: 607-255-5151 fax: 607-254-4552
gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu ...".
As I understand it, that message was in reply to a message
from you that said:
"... Dear Prof. LePage
Will you talk to Ginsparg about this?
Thank you.
Jack Sarfatti, Cornell Physics Class of 1960 BA
Physics PhD from UCR. ..."
Was that the entire content of your message to Peter Lepage,
or did I miss something reading the copies that I received?
Also, who is Peter Lepage (other than Chair and Professor in
the Cornell Physics Department)?
Do you know him personally as well?
Do you have a clear opinion as to why hs answer was so
brief and emphatically unhelpful?
Is he afraid of Paul Ginsparg (to whom he sent a copy)?
Is the fact that he is on leave at this time relevant
to his unhelpfulness at this time?
A reason that I ask this is that, according to
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/physics/people/faculty.abc.htm
the Cornell Physics Department faculty includes:
"... Ginsparg, Paul quantum field theory;
digital knowlege networks 255-7371 ...".
Therefore, I would think that Paul Ginsparg's activities related
to physics (such as the physics e-print archives) would be
legitimate concerns of the Cornell Physics Department
and therefore of its Chair (Peter Lepage).
I also note that Paul Ginsparg has a Cornell Physics Department
web page at
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/profpages/Ginsparg.htm
on which he identifies himself as
"... Paul Ginsparg
Professor of Physics
325 Clark Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
Phone: (607) 255-7371
Email: ginsparg@cornell.edu
arXiv.org Information
arXiv.org e-Print Archive ...".
which seems to me to identify arXiv.org as the area of physics
in which he works.
For comparison, on his Cornell Physics Department web page at
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/profpages/LepageG.html
G. Peter Lepage identifies himself as
"... G. Peter Lepage
Professor of Physics
Chair, Department of Physics
109 Clark Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
Phone: (607) 255-6016
Email: gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu
Particle Theory Group Page ...",
thus identifying the Particle Theory Group as the area of physics
in which he works.
Therefore, despite the claim of Peter Lepage in his message
to you "... The Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy. ...",
it seems to me that arXiv.org is in fact what the Cornell Physics
Department considers to be what Paul Ginsparg as its professor
is supposed to be doing in his capacity as physics professor.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Also, to be sure that I understand the full discussion,
I saw a message fragment:
"... Jack
Professor Paul Ginsparg is the owner of the physics archive...I've
copied him on this message to facilitate your contact
Polley ...".
Who is Polley and what is the context of his message to you?
How well does Polley know Paul Ginsparg?
----------------------------------------------------------------
As to the current status of my efforts, I have contacted
a law firm with offices in Atlanta and New York, and am
waiting while they do a conflict check, something that
takes large firms a while to do, particularly since there
are a lot of entities that may be to some degree related to
Cornell. Many of them may be so tenuously related that there
would be no conflict if the firm has done or is doing work for
them, but all that has to be checked out.
Tony 7 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 15:43:33 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02A4388387
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:08:02 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA7Hx6Mp048246;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:59:07 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106] (may be forged))
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09598;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:58:31 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DCAA95D.1070205@ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:56:45 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ginsparg@cornell.edu, Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>, Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>
Cc: ItalianPhysicsCenter <ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"SarfattiScienceSeminar@YahooGroups. com" <SarfattiScienceSeminar@YahooGroups.com>,
Vladimir Poponin <v.poponin@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.7 15326 gA7Hx6Mp048246 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: f>i!!K`8"![8g!!@%G"!
Here is same idea as I have in my
http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf
that Paul Ginsparg has prevented me from publishing on arXiv
Fortunately this idea is in my two books "Destiny Matrix" and "Dark Energy" from http://www.1stbooks.com
so that I can prove my claim in the future.
"Title: Can the clustered dark matter and the smooth dark energy arise from the
same scalar field ?
Authors: T. Padmanabhan and T. Roy Choudhury
Comments: Revised to match the published version. Minor changes and a reference
added
Report-no: IUCAA preprint 17/2002
Journal-ref: Phys.Rev. D66 (2002) 081301"
From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 15:43:34 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox3.ucsd.edu (mailbox3.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.55])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2F7388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:14:40 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox3.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA7I6KL8013036;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106] (may be forged))
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12979;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:19 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <3DCAAB31.9090703@ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:04:33 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Alan Parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Marty re: My letter to Physics Today]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.7 80180 gA7I6KL8013036 mailbox3.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: nFE"!~#n!!Ml[!!\GQ"!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Marty re: My letter to Physics Today
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:02:43 -0800
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
To: Marty Hanna <mhanna@aip.org>
Marty
Here (below) is same idea as I have in my letter to Physics Today and in a censored paper to arXiv that may result in a lawsuit against Paul Ginsparg for preventing me to lay claim to my original discovery which may prove very important to the history of physics. Clearly this idea is in the air and I am being cheated out of my rights to have my idea presented to my peers on arXiv which is supposed to be an open forum.
There is clearly a double standard here since what I am saying is also being said below so that there are issues of priority on what may be the most important theoretical insight at the beginning of the 21st Century.
http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf
that Paul Ginsparg has prevented me from publishing on arXiv
Fortunately this idea is in my two books "Destiny Matrix" and "Dark Energy" from http://www.1stbooks.com
so that I can prove my claim in the future.
"Title: Can the clustered dark matter and the smooth dark energy arise from the
same scalar field ?
Authors: T. Padmanabhan and T. Roy Choudhury
Comments: Revised to match the published version. Minor changes and a reference
added
Report-no: IUCAA preprint 17/2002
Journal-ref: Phys.Rev. D66 (2002) 081301"
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 00:38:04 2002
Return-Path: <pzielins@ix.netcom.com>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B1F388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:18:04 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from user-2ivfjkd.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.206.141] helo=ix.netcom.com)
by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
id 189tue-0000Th-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:10:04 -0500
Message-ID: <3DCAD5D3.385D5536@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:06:27 -0800
From: Paul Zielinski <pzielins@ix.netcom.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu, Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>, Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
ItalianPhysicsCenter <ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
"SarfattiScienceSeminar@YahooGroups. com" <SarfattiScienceSeminar@YahooGroups.com>,
Vladimir Poponin <v.poponin@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
References: <3DCAA95D.1070205@ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-UIDL: EN_"![SR!!1@F"!OSW"!
Is Ginsparg required to give any explanation for his decision?
Z.
ISEP Theoretical Physics Group wrote:
> Here is same idea as I have in my
>
> http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf
>
> that Paul Ginsparg has prevented me from publishing on arXiv
>
> Fortunately this idea is in my two books "Destiny Matrix" and "Dark Energy" from http://www.1stbooks.com
>
> so that I can prove my claim in the future.
>
> "Title: Can the clustered dark matter and the smooth dark energy arise from the
> same scalar field ?
> Authors: T. Padmanabhan and T. Roy Choudhury
> Comments: Revised to match the published version. Minor changes and a reference
> added
> Report-no: IUCAA preprint 17/2002
> Journal-ref: Phys.Rev. D66 (2002) 081301"
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 00:38:05 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F24388367
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:33:28 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from line143.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.143])
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 189v5Y-0006uo-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:25:24 +0000
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:28:26 +0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: Paul Zielinski <pzielins@ix.netcom.com>,
ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Cc: Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>,
Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>, Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>,
Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
Vladimir Poponin <v.poponin@worldnet.att.net>, ddrasin@aol.com
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Message-ID: <589407.3245696906@line143.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <3DCAD5D3.385D5536@ix.netcom.com>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: En5"!ALn"!ecg!!H01!!
--On Thursday, November 7, 2002 13:06 -0800 Paul Zielinski
<pzielins@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Is Ginsparg required to give any explanation for his decision?
>
> Z.
As I understand it, an explanation was given on request from Jack and is
this:
> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
When I expressed surprise at ucsd.edu being characterised in this way, the
anonymous moderator, whom everyone is assuming to be Ginsparg, clarified
his meaning:
> As was clear from context, USCD is not a current affiliation for the
> person in question
It was not clear to me, but anyway it seems the 'reason' is that Jack is
not currently at an approved organisation and therefore is not allowed to
submit to the archive. What a strange concept! Fortunately the journals
are reasonably impartial in this respect at least.
It seems that the situation is that Ginsparg (?) has a set of criteria for
rejection available, and trots out one of these whenever it suits his
purposes. For example, I mentioned Hagelstein's cold fusion theories to
him, and the red flag 'not a physics dept.' (the talk concerned was given
at MIT's Research Laboratory in Electronics) went up, even though he has
published in Phys Rev A recently, and works in a Quantum Electronics group
at MIT. This is surely just as much physics whether done in a physics or
an engineering dept. It looks almost as if G(?) considers the archive to
be his own personal thing, as it is in a sense (though presumably it is not
his personal money and the sponsors would have their own views), and so
considers he can decide what he wants to reject on whim. That would be
fine if the physics community did not see it as a public resource and
assume it would be administered more responsibly than it seems it is being.
A little publicity in the right places could work wonders, but this is the
kind of thing that editors would see as a hot potato and would be reluctant
to publish (I wonder, though, about the Times Higher -- I'll ask my mole
there). And maybe most scientists, if one wrote to them saying what had
been happening, would feel concern, but prefer not to get involved
personally.
There is also the question of G(?)'s state of mental well-being. If he is
doing this on this on his own, then strange things might be happening. I
must say I get the feeling from some of the correspondence that all is not
well there.
Brian J.
PS: I have removed the newsgroups from the cc list (and also G(?)). I'm
sure everyone is aware that it is inadvisable to post items to newsgroups
with real email addresses in them, as they will get picked up by spammers'
robots.
PS2: I don't think Jack's idea of a special unorthodox physics section at
arxi.org is such a good idea, as most serious people will ignore it unless
the quality is high, but then we'd get back to the filtering problem.
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 00:38:10 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72C0388366
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:22:33 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA7NDvqk081065;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09473;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:56 -0800 (PST)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:59 -0800
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546)
Cc: Paul Zielinski <pzielins@ix.netcom.com>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>, Jfwoodward <jfwoodward@juno.com>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>,
"Karastjepa@aol. com" <Karastjepa@aol.com>,
Saul Paul Sirag <sirag@mindspring.com>,
Vladimir Poponin <v.poponin@worldnet.att.net>, ddrasin@aol.com
To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>,
Kim Burrafato <lensman@stardrive.org>,
Eric Krieg <eric@terre.puissante.com>,
Jagdish Mann <JagdishM@aol.com>, Cornell News <cunews@cornell.edu>,
alan parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Paul Ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>,
Jason Rhoades <jr292@cornell.edu>
From: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <589407.3245696906@line143.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <989A020E-F2A6-11D6-83DB-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546)
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.7 38978 gA7NDvqk081065 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: 33N"!)%p"!\0,#!9O/!!
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 02:28 PM, Brian Josephson wrote:
> --On Thursday, November 7, 2002 13:06 -0800 Paul Zielinski
> <pzielins@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Is Ginsparg required to give any explanation for his decision?
>>
>> Z.
>
> As I understand it, an explanation was given on request from Jack and
> is this:
>
>> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
>> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>
> When I expressed surprise at ucsd.edu being characterised in this way,
> the anonymous moderator, whom everyone is assuming to be Ginsparg,
> clarified his meaning:
>
>> As was clear from context, USCD is not a current affiliation for the
>> person in question
>
> It was not clear to me, but anyway it seems the 'reason' is that Jack
> is not currently at an approved organisation and therefore is not
> allowed to submit to the archive. What a strange concept!
> Fortunately the journals are reasonably impartial in this respect at
> least.
Jack: A relevant point here is that Bernie Haisch publishes on arXiv
from CIPA and Hal Puthoff publishes on arXiv from IAS. Both IAS and
CIPA have exactly same legal corporate status as private educational
corporations. So why does Paul Ginsparg discriminate ISEP from CIPA and
IAS?
>
> Brian Josephson continues: It seems that the situation is that
> Ginsparg (?) has a set of criteria for rejection available, and trots
> out one of these whenever it suits his purposes. For example, I
> mentioned Hagelstein's cold fusion theories to him, and the red flag
> 'not a physics dept.' (the talk concerned was given at MIT's Research
> Laboratory in Electronics) went up, even though he has published in
> Phys Rev A recently, and works in a Quantum Electronics group at MIT.
> This is surely just as much physics whether done in a physics or an
> engineering dept. It looks almost as if G(?) considers the archive to
> be his own personal thing, as it is in a sense (though presumably it
> is not his personal money and the sponsors would have their own
> views), and so considers he can decide what he wants to reject on
> whim. That would be fine if the physics community did not see it as a
> public resource and assume it would be administered more responsibly
> than it seems it is being.
>
> A little publicity in the right places could work wonders, but this is
> the kind of thing that editors would see as a hot potato and would be
> reluctant to publish (I wonder, though, about the Times Higher -- I'll
> ask my mole there). And maybe most scientists, if one wrote to them
> saying what had been happening, would feel concern, but prefer not to
> get involved personally.
>
> There is also the question of G(?)'s state of mental well-being. If
> he is doing this on this on his own, then strange things might be
> happening. I must say I get the feeling from some of the
> correspondence that all is not well there.
>
> Brian J.
>
> PS: I have removed the newsgroups from the cc list (and also G(?)).
> I'm sure everyone is aware that it is inadvisable to post items to
> newsgroups with real email addresses in them, as they will get picked
> up by spammers' robots.
>
> PS2: I don't think Jack's idea of a special unorthodox physics section
> at arxi.org is such a good idea, as most serious people will ignore it
> unless the quality is high, but then we'd get back to the filtering
> problem.
Jack: Yes, I see what you mean. OK that was not a good idea.
Brian I suggest that you and Tony Smith (who is an attorney and a
physicist and who like you has been thinking about this issue longer
than I have) draft up a letter for Marty Hanna to publish in Physics
Today. I will sign it.
Also since I am Cornell 60 BA in physics Cornell News and Cornell
Alumni Affairs should get on the stick! :-)
Arbitrary censorship on arXiv does real damage to physicists like me
who have good credentials.
Also there is a paper now on arXiv that is very close to my paper, i.e.
dark energy and dark matter as aspects of a single scalar field. Had
Paul Ginsparg not stopped my paper when he did, my paper would have
been there first! I consider this not a good thing.
>
> * * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
> * Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
> * Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
> * Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
> * * * * * * *
>
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 00:58:30 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C9C388366
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:54:15 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA85kBlC025794;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:11 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13891;
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:10 -0800 (PST)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:14 -0800
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546)
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
To: swimp@shaw.ca, Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>,
Paul Ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>,
Paul Zielinski <pzielins@ix.netcom.com>,
Kim Burrafato <lensman@stardrive.org>,
alan parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>
From: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <3DCB088B.3BE29FA2@shaw.ca>
Message-Id: <64CC6156-F2DD-11D6-83DB-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546)
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.7 22556 gA85kBlC025794 mailbox1.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: <3k!!>Nk"!ZfE!!olj!!
No Tony has not been silent. Have you see Brian Josephson's web site
about this?
My basic idea that dark energy and dark matter are really two sides of
the same coin has now been scooped by some Indian physicists.
They do not have same detailed model as mine of course and they are not
able to derive Einstein's gravity with EEP trivially and elegantly the
way
I do.
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 04:42 PM, Gary G. Ford wrote:
> Jack,
>
> a few days ago I tried to warn you about the
> new arXiv policy.
What do you mean "new"? I have yet to find any details about that.
>
> But for what-ever-the-damned-reason this has
> been happening, my reply to your enthusiastic
> mailing regarding arXiv was stripped of message
> on the way out. I gave up that day.
>
> When I attempt to reply to you (sarfatti@well.com)
> or Eugenia, or a friend at Cal Tech, quite offend
> the mesage simply DISAPPEARS!
>
> Meanwhile Tony Smith has been dead silent and
> I am somewhat concerned about him. This new
> arXiv policy in fact has seemingly driven Tony
> Smith out of the Public Science Arena, and if
> letters I have from him a month or so ago I do
> interpret right, this ostracism has apparently
> greatly diminished Tony's taste for life.
>
> See the prominent note on Tony's site.
>
> Gary swimp@shaw.ca
>
> ISEP Theoretical Physics Group wrote:
>
>> Here is same idea as I have in my
>>
>> http://stardrive.org/Jack/Lambda1.pdf
>>
>> that Paul Ginsparg has prevented me from publishing on arXiv
>>
>> Fortunately this idea is in my two books "Destiny Matrix" and "Dark
>> Energy" from http://www.1stbooks.com
>>
>> so that I can prove my claim in the future.
>>
>> "Title: Can the clustered dark matter and the smooth dark energy
>> arise from the
>> same scalar field ?
>> Authors: T. Padmanabhan and T. Roy Choudhury
>> Comments: Revised to match the published version. Minor changes and a
>> reference
>> added
>> Report-no: IUCAA preprint 17/2002
>> Journal-ref: Phys.Rev. D66 (2002) 081301"
>
> --
> Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
> Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
> http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/magnmind.htm
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/darkling.htm
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
> http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
> click links for poems/last one for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
>
>
>
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 00:58:31 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05A3388367
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:04:12 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.191.138] (dialup-209.246.191.138.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.191.138])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 494DE10E32C; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:02:56 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102800b9f0ff47a80a@[65.58.16.195]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:57:58 -0500
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: priority matter
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: QF,"!k1n!!`T<!!+"i!!
Jack, you say: "... there is a paper now on arXiv that is very
close to my paper, i.e.
dark energy and dark matter as aspects of a single scalar field.
Had Paul Ginsparg not stopped my paper when he did, my paper would
have been there first! ...".
I am not sure that is technically correct, although of course
I do agree that the rejection of your paper was wrong and
did damage you - my comment here is just technically about the
specific paper to which I think you are referring.
I think that you may be referring to the paper that you
described in another message as "... "Title: Can the clustered dark matter
and the smooth dark energy arise from the same scalar field ?
Authors: T. Padmanabhan and T. Roy Choudhury
Comments: Revised to match the published version.
Minor changes and a reference added
Report-no: IUCAA preprint 17/2002
Journal-ref: Phys.Rev. D66 (2002) 081301" ...".
That paper is on the archives as
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0205055
It was originally put on the archives dated 7 May 2002 as
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0205055v1
so that it was (modulo "minor changes and a reference") posted
on the archives prior to your announcement on 03 Nov 2002 of
your attempt to post your paper The Macro-Quantum Vacuum.
Again, this is just a technical comment about that particular
priority matter, and is NOT in defense of the actual rejection
of your paper.
Tony 8 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 01:16:16 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317C8388366
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:19:13 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.191.138] (dialup-209.246.191.138.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.191.138])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id C092210E366; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:17:56 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102801b9f10372a2cf@[209.246.191.138]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:12:59 -0500
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu, swimp@shaw.ca
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: ?Hk!!BQ""!Ig##!3S3!!
Gary and Jack,
Gary said
"... > Meanwhile Tony Smith has been dead silent and
> I am somewhat concerned about him. This new
> arXiv policy in fact has seemingly driven Tony
> Smith out of the Public Science Arena, and if
> letters I have from him a month or so ago I do
> interpret right, this ostracism has apparently
> greatly diminished Tony's taste for life. ...".
Gary's comment is pretty much correct EXCEPT with respect
to the arXiv policy since the rejection of Jack's paper.
Back on 3 Nov 2002 when Jack sent out e-mail announcing
that he posted his paper on the archives as gr-qc/0211011
I read the announcement and looked for the paper when it
went up.
However, when it should have appeared (after 8 PM EST on
Monday 4 Nov 2002, it did NOT appear and a different paper
by a different author appeared as gr-qc/0211011.
I then guessed what had happened and (also on 4 Nov 2002)
sent Jack an e-mail saying that I thought that he was also
on the Cornell blacklist.
Jack replied, asking about the possiblility of a law suit.
I have since then contacted a law firm with offices in
Atlanta and New York about filing a law suit regarding
the Cornell blacklist. The firm is now in the process
of checking to be sure that there would be no conflict
in doing so. Such a check may take large firms a while to do,
particularly since there are a lot of entities that may be to
some degree related to Cornell. Many of them may be so tenuously
related that there would be no conflict if the firm has done or
is doing work for them, but all that has to be checked out.
Except for matters related to that, I am indeed pretty much
withdrawn from active work on the web, because of my
unhappiness with the Cornell situation.
Tony 8 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 01:16:16 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B48388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:22:08 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [209.246.191.138] (dialup-209.246.191.138.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.191.138])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id D03E510E2AB; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:20:51 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net
Message-Id: <l03102802b9f106725743@[209.246.191.138]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:15:54 -0500
To: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: some questions, etc
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: Nln"!DL2!!bS8!!<,m"!
Jack, I sent this message with some questions to sarfatti@well.com
and now in case you are mostly looking at jsarfatt@ucsd.edu here
is that message again. My apologies if you had already seen it.
Tony 8 Nov 2002
------------------------------------------------
Jack, thanks for making it clear that the entire Peter Lepage
messaage to you (with copy to ginsparg@cornell.edu) was
"...
I won't. The Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy.
Peter Lepage
Peter Lepage, Chair (on leave 8/02-12/02) and Professor of Physics
328 Newman Laboratory, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
tel: 607-255-5151 fax: 607-254-4552
gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu ...".
As I understand it, that message was in reply to a message
from you that said:
"... Dear Prof. LePage
Will you talk to Ginsparg about this?
Thank you.
Jack Sarfatti, Cornell Physics Class of 1960 BA
Physics PhD from UCR. ..."
Was that the entire content of your message to Peter Lepage,
or did I miss something reading the copies that I received?
Also, who is Peter Lepage (other than Chair and Professor in
the Cornell Physics Department)?
Do you know him personally as well?
Do you have a clear opinion as to why hs answer was so
brief and emphatically unhelpful?
Is he afraid of Paul Ginsparg (to whom he sent a copy)?
Is the fact that he is on leave at this time relevant
to his unhelpfulness at this time?
A reason that I ask this is that, according to
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/physics/people/faculty.abc.htm
the Cornell Physics Department faculty includes:
"... Ginsparg, Paul quantum field theory;
digital knowlege networks 255-7371 ...".
Therefore, I would think that Paul Ginsparg's activities related
to physics (such as the physics e-print archives) would be
legitimate concerns of the Cornell Physics Department
and therefore of its Chair (Peter Lepage).
I also note that Paul Ginsparg has a Cornell Physics Department
web page at
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/profpages/Ginsparg.htm
on which he identifies himself as
"... Paul Ginsparg
Professor of Physics
325 Clark Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
Phone: (607) 255-7371
Email: ginsparg@cornell.edu
arXiv.org Information
arXiv.org e-Print Archive ...".
which seems to me to identify arXiv.org as the area of physics
in which he works.
For comparison, on his Cornell Physics Department web page at
http://www.physics.cornell.edu/profpages/LepageG.html
G. Peter Lepage identifies himself as
"... G. Peter Lepage
Professor of Physics
Chair, Department of Physics
109 Clark Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
Phone: (607) 255-6016
Email: gpl@mail.lns.cornell.edu
Particle Theory Group Page ...",
thus identifying the Particle Theory Group as the area of physics
in which he works.
Therefore, despite the claim of Peter Lepage in his message
to you "... The Physics Department has no say over arXiv policy. ...",
it seems to me that arXiv.org is in fact what the Cornell Physics
Department considers to be what Paul Ginsparg as its professor
is supposed to be doing in his capacity as physics professor.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Also, to be sure that I understand the full discussion,
I saw a message fragment:
"... Jack
Professor Paul Ginsparg is the owner of the physics archive...I've
copied him on this message to facilitate your contact
Polley ...".
Who is Polley and what is the context of his message to you?
How well does Polley know Paul Ginsparg?
----------------------------------------------------------------
As to the current status of my efforts, I have contacted
a law firm with offices in Atlanta and New York, and am
waiting while they do a conflict check, something that
takes large firms a while to do, particularly since there
are a lot of entities that may be to some degree related to
Cornell. Many of them may be so tenuously related that there
would be no conflict if the firm has done or is doing work for
them, but all that has to be checked out.
Tony 7 Nov 2002
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 05:58:44 2002
Return-Path: <swimp@shaw.ca>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AFA388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:55:16 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca
(pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H5800844W4641@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
07 Nov 2002 23:45:42 -0700 (MST)
Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca
(pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon
(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H5800I0NW46KG@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
07 Nov 2002 23:45:42 -0700 (MST)
Received: from shaw.ca (h68-147-113-156.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.113.156])
by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002))
with ESMTP id <0H580084HW4551@l-daemon> for tsmith@innerx.net; Thu,
07 Nov 2002 23:45:42 -0700 (MST)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:44:58 -0700
From: "Gary G. Ford" <swimp@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship
Sender: ggford@prod.shaw.ca
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: jsarfatt@ucsd.edu
Reply-To: swimp@shaw.ca
Message-id: <3DCB5D6A.49BABB7D@shaw.ca>
Organization: SWIMP
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Accept-Language: en
References: <l03102801b9f10372a2cf@[209.246.191.138]>
X-UIDL: _3d!!Y+Y!!VMH"!L/!"!
Tony,
I am glad to hear that you are looking into
doing something about it. Of course, the
freezing-out of non-institutionals is part
and pacel of the Medieval Mindset under
the surface of the entrenched Tenured
Academic Departmentaloids.
After all, most of them have fought hard
and often dirty to obtain their exaulted
tenure and entrenched bug-in-the-rug
positions, so "Why NOT screw some very
embarressingly more creative and insightful
'outsiders'?!"
By the way, did you see the news about the new
A-Bomb develpment project in progress? ...
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp;jsessionid=LDFDMCEAMHPO?id=ns99993016
So much for 'bunkers'!
Gary swimp@shaw.ca
Tony Smith wrote:
> Gary and Jack,
> Gary said
> "... > Meanwhile Tony Smith has been dead silent and
> > I am somewhat concerned about him. This new
> > arXiv policy in fact has seemingly driven Tony
> > Smith out of the Public Science Arena, and if
> > letters I have from him a month or so ago I do
> > interpret right, this ostracism has apparently
> > greatly diminished Tony's taste for life. ...".
>
> Gary's comment is pretty much correct EXCEPT with respect
> to the arXiv policy since the rejection of Jack's paper.
>
> Back on 3 Nov 2002 when Jack sent out e-mail announcing
> that he posted his paper on the archives as gr-qc/0211011
> I read the announcement and looked for the paper when it
> went up.
> However, when it should have appeared (after 8 PM EST on
> Monday 4 Nov 2002, it did NOT appear and a different paper
> by a different author appeared as gr-qc/0211011.
> I then guessed what had happened and (also on 4 Nov 2002)
> sent Jack an e-mail saying that I thought that he was also
> on the Cornell blacklist.
> Jack replied, asking about the possiblility of a law suit.
>
> I have since then contacted a law firm with offices in
> Atlanta and New York about filing a law suit regarding
> the Cornell blacklist. The firm is now in the process
> of checking to be sure that there would be no conflict
> in doing so. Such a check may take large firms a while to do,
> particularly since there are a lot of entities that may be to
> some degree related to Cornell. Many of them may be so tenuously
> related that there would be no conflict if the firm has done or
> is doing work for them, but all that has to be checked out.
>
> Except for matters related to that, I am indeed pretty much
> withdrawn from active work on the web, because of my
> unhappiness with the Cornell situation.
>
> Tony 8 Nov 2002
--
Gary Gene "Far Too Stupid to put Theory over Experience!" Ford
Iowan Idiot Extraordinaire - swimp@shaw.ca
http://www.goodfelloweb.com/poems/gford1.html
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/afogbank.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/eulogy2.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/magnmind.htm
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/darkling.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggfhush.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggflook.html
http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/kainwhitten/ggftypos.html
http://members.shaw.ca/swimp/plasma.html
click links for poems/last one for 1972 UAFx ArcJet photos
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 18:34:53 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C9C388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:10:56 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk)
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 18A7qu-0004DJ-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:03:08 +0000
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:03:06 -0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Sender: bdj10@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Cc: Theory Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Message-ID: <1923122.1036756986@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <989A020E-F2A6-11D6-83DB-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
References: <989A020E-F2A6-11D6-83DB-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.1 (Mac OS/PPC)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: eLn!!a4k"!72n!!~K0!!
Good idea -- do you want to draft something for me to see, Tony? BTW, I
don't think it was a good idea for Jack to cc his letter to Ginsparg --
much better to keep him in ignorance of what is going on strategywise -- he
may already be getting in touch with Hanna to try to block publication. It
could also be sent to Physics World, the UK equivalent to Physics Today,
and I might be able to get some more people to agree to sign.
Brian
PS I'll send you separately my own correspondence with ?Ginsparg? I wonder
if this mail program will let you just drag in emails as attachments?
--On Thursday, November 7, 2002 3:13 pm -0800 Theory Group
<jsarfatt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> Brian I suggest that you and Tony Smith (who is an attorney and a
> physicist and who like you has been thinking about this issue longer than
> I have) draft up a letter for Marty Hanna to publish in Physics Today. I
> will sign it. Also since I am Cornell 60 BA in physics Cornell News and
> Cornell Alumni Affairs should get on the stick! :-)
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 18:34:58 2002
Return-Path: <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62BB388363
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:52:05 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk)
by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10)
id 18ADB2-0007FX-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:44:16 +0000
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:44:14 -0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Sender: bdj10@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, jsarfatt@ucsd.edu
Cc: Truzzi <truzzi@toast.net>, Dan Drasin <ddrasin@aol.com>,
Ed Storms <storms2@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: arXiv.org censorship log
Message-ID: <3154244.1036777454@bohm.phy.cam.ac.uk>
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.1 (Mac OS/PPC)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Disposition: inline
X-UIDL: (m]!!$X]!![=$"!j^4"!
Here for people's interest is my correspondence with the preprint archive.
[people on the bcc list can ignore the message at the beginning that is
sent automatically by the mail program].
BDJ
--------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: www-admin@arXiv.org
Subject: RE: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
Date-Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 3:09 pm +0100
I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the user/password
form and enter them as below (including the clear user form) and always get
an authorisation failure.
BDJ
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2002 7:48 am -0400
From: send mail ONLY to cond-mat <no-reply@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb)
To verify abstract and html, use http://arXiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0205185
User: cond-mat/0205185, Password: bge7s (access still password restricted)
---------- End Forwarded Message ----------
-----
From: "www admin for arXiv.org" <www-admin@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
...
Date-Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 8:15 pm -0400
The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area.
=================================================
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:09:08 +0100
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: www-admin@arXiv.org
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
fig5cf.gif fig6cf.gif fig7cf.gif fig8cf.gif fig9cf.gif -> 0205185.tar.gz
(cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the user/password
form and enter them as below (including the clear user form) and always get
an authorisation failure.
BDJ
------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "www admin for arXiv.org" <www-admin@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
...
Date-Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:09 am +0100
Re: submission "Cold Fusion, an Objective Assessment" by Edmund Storms
--On Thursday, May 9, 2002 20:15 -0400 "www admin for arXiv.org"
<www-admin@arXiv.org> wrote:
> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area.
>
Do you really believe that, or is this censorship?
I should add that I tried on 2 occasions to sponsor the author, who worked
at LANL for many years until his recent retirement, so he could submit the
paper himself. My emails were acknowledged by the robot but nothing
further happened.
Also, may I suggest you fix the system that the above message is
transmitted at the time of removal so that people do not waste their
valuable time trying to get the process to work.
B D Josephson
Professor of Physics, University of Cambridge, Cambridge, UK.
>
> =================================================
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:09:08 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: www-admin@arXiv.org
> Subject: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
>
> I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
> recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the
> user/password form and enter them as below (including the clear user
> form) and always get an authorisation failure.
>
> BDJ
------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 6:40 pm +0100
Dear Prof. Ginsparg,
Recently (in Nature, I believe) there was a discussion of electronic
publishing which included comment on the Physics Archive which you set up,
including reference to your comment that the fact that contributions can be
put into the archive without going through any refereeing process speeds up
the process of dissemination of new research. But recent events have shown
that while there may not be refereeing in the usual sense at arXiv.org
there is censorship: a virtual blue pencil stands ready to delete
'unacceptable' material. Let me acquaint you with the details.
Some time ago I received a lengthy review/critique of cold fusion research
written by Edmund Storms, whom you might have come across as he worked at
LANL himself until his recent retirement. This review does, I believe,
make a good case for taking the subject seriously, as long as one accepts
that (as was the case in regard to the so-called 'Josephson effect' at the
time of its theoretical discovery) it may not necessarily be a
straightforward matter to reproduce phenomena in materials since small
changes in conditions may have big effects, so that the fact that some
people fail to reproduce something may not be a fatal objection to the
existence of the process concerned. I wrote to Dr. Storms suggesting that,
given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive, which
might lead to some people at least becoming aware what the evidence in
favour of the reality of LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) phenomena was.
Some time later I asked him what happened and he said his registration had
been automatically rejected as a result of the fact that since his
retirement from LANL he did not have a 'proper email address'. I checked
the administrative details and saw that it is possible to 'sponsor'
someone, so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr.
Storms, but got no reply. I therefore decided to try instead the
'depreciated procedure' of submitting it to the archive myself (with the
author's permission). Initially the process seemed to work, but checking
the installation on the archive using the URL and password I was sent as
one is supposed to do (if it had worked out I would have passed the details
on to Dr. Storms so he could check it out himself as well) consistently
generated 'authorisation failure' messages. My enquires in regard to this
problem generated this response from www-admin@arXiv.org:
> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area
Emails querying this decision were not answered.
I trust you will agree that this kind of censorship is inappropriate and
not in the interests of scientific progress, given that many people have
reported confirmation of the original observations (unfortunately
suppressed from the mainstream generals so that people in general do not
know about them). It is unsafe, for example, to extrapolate from results
in a high-energy situation to results in solids (cf. for example the
Mössbauer effect) to determine what is and what is not possible and I trust
you will reprimand the people concerned and see that the review can
belatedly be put on to the archive (also that Dr. Storms, whose email
address you can find in the cc list, be allowed to submit to the archive).
If controversial matters cannot be discussed, this is not good for the
progress of science.
If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there is a
link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
politics'. Incidentally, my home page has said for some months
> it is not the intention to include poor research on these web pages. If
> anyone feels there are problems with the review concerned which are not
> cleared up through correspondence with the author, would they please let
> me know at the email address below.
and no one has taken me up on it so far!
Regards,
Brian Josephson
----------------------------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 3:54 pm -0400
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri Sep 06, 2002 01:40:23 US/Eastern
Your message was forwarded to this address for proper handling.
Any future messages should be sent only to this address.
> given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
> might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive,
Unfortunately the policy here is that the material posted on the arXiv at
least in principle be publishable in conventional journals. We regret if
these resources are too conservative for your needs, but there are other
more open internet fora available for such purposes.
> so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr. Storms,
> but got no reply.
Regrets if you received no reply. The address www-admin@arXiv.org is only
for technical issues and is not equipped to handle procedural issues.
[I sent it to physics@arXiv.org, actually, an address given for 'comments']
The reply would have been that sponsorship requires expertise directly in
the subject matter in question, and, say, expertise in Atomic Physics would
not necessarily convey expertise in Cosmology, nor expertise in Condensed
Matter Physics to Nuclear Physics.
>> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area
>
> Emails querying this decision were not answered.
The answer above appears correct. If it is research in nuclear fusion then
it would necessarily be classified as Nuclear Physics. If it is not
research in nuclear fusion, then it is neither Nuclear Physics nor
Condensed Matter Physics. In either case it is inappropriate for the
cond-mat subject area.
> allowed to submit to the archive). If controversial matters cannot be
> discussed, this is not good for the progress of science.
In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is no
longer a controversial matter.
> If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there
> is a link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at http:
> //www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
politics'
The above-linked review itself helpfully already explains why it is not
appropriate here:
However, Physical Review B, Review of Modern Physics, Chemical Reviews,
and
J. Electroanalytical Chemistry turned down a request to publish this
review. Fusion Science and Technology (formerly Fusion Technology), is
also
unwilling to publish papers on the subject.
Thank you for your interest.
-------------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2002 2:01 pm +0100
--On Friday, September 6, 2002 15:54 -0400 "register-query for arXiv.org"
<register-query@arXiv.org> wrote:
>> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
>> Date: Fri Sep 06, 2002 01:40:23 US/Eastern
>> To: ginsparg@cornell.edu
>> Subject: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
>
> Your message was forwarded to this address for proper handling.
> Any future messages should be sent only to this address.
>
>> given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
>> might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive,
>
> Unfortunately the policy here is that the material posted on the arXiv at
> least in principle be publishable in conventional journals. We regret if
> these resources are too conservative for your needs, but there
> are other more open internet fora available for such purposes.
Thanks for your reply. I trust you will consider carefully my response.
Re your first point, Science recently published a paper on sonofusion, and
Nature a couple of years ago published an article reviewing the CIA project
on remote viewing, presenting both sides of the argument and not coming
down editorially on either side. Clearly, while there is a tendency to
reject papers on this kind of topic they are not fundamentally ('in
principle', in your words) unpublishable in conventional journals. What
makes a paper fundamentally and legitimately unpublishable is flaws in the
arguments, which has not been demonstrated in this case. Only if we can
see into the future can we know what papers might be accepted and what
might not.
The archive policies should, in my opinion, reflect the more objective
criterion, of whether an error is visible or not -- do you not agree?
The 'more open fora' that you refer to are not read by the people whose
minds might be changed by being confronted by a careful review (agreed, the
majority would also ignore such a paper in the archive, but a minority
might be intruiged enough to read it).
>
>> so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr. Storms,
>> but got no reply.
>
> Regrets if you received no reply. The address www-admin@arXiv.org is only
> for technical issues and is not equipped to handle procedural issues.
I believe I sent the letter about sponsorship to the correct address, as
indicated on the site (when I used the word censorship it was with
reference to the removal of the paper, not the question of who is allowed
to submit to the archive), but in any case, even if I had sent it to
www-admin in error, why could they not have referred me to the right
address, or forwarded it to the right address instead of simply ignoring
it? At the very least they could have pressed the reply button and said
something like 'www-admin does not handle this kind of issue, please look
on the arxiv site to find the correct address' which wouuld have required
no thought at all?
> The
> reply would have been that sponsorship requires expertise directly in the
> subject matter in question, and, say, expertise in Atomic Physics would
> not necessarily convey expertise in Cosmology, nor expertise in Condensed
> Matter Physics to Nuclear Physics.
Not necessarily, though some of us are expert in more than one subject (I
actually did an experimental Ph.D. myself, results published in J. Phys.
F.). But my basic response would be that as Dr. Storms worked at LANL for
many years and has only recently retired, does he really need a sponsor to
be allowed to submit? And if he had worked at a place like Cambridge he
could have kept his university email address after retirement and the issue
of his eligibility would never have arisen at all.
>
>>> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject
>>> area
>>
>> Emails querying this decision were not answered.
>
> The answer above appears correct. If it is research in nuclear fusion
> then it would necessarily be classified as Nuclear Physics.
> If it is not research in nuclear fusion, then it is neither Nuclear
> Physics nor Condensed Matter Physics. In either case it is inappropriate
> for the cond-mat subject area.
But possibly appropriate for nucl-ex?
A curious argument, if I may say so in any case, ignoring the possibility
that _both_ nuclear physics and condensed matter physics might be involved
in the phenomenon, as a little thought would show to be the case here.
>
>> allowed to submit to the archive). If controversial matters cannot be
>> discussed, this is not good for the progress of science.
>
> In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is
> no longer a controversial matter.
This isn't the conclusion that a recent Physics World (a UK Institute of
Physics publication) review came to. From memory, the article indicated
that while the majority opinion is that the Pons-Fleischmann work was in
error not all believe this and investigations into the phenomenon are still
continuing in a number of laboratories, some claiming success. And if I
may drop a couple of big names, both Edward Teller and Carlo Rubbia believe
that cold fusion is probably real (in the latter case, my knowledge is
based on an actual conversation with the person concerned, and in the
former case I am informed that Dr. Teller's interest is (of course) in the
possibility of making a bomb out of it).
>
>> If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there
>> is a link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at http:
>> //www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
>> politics'
>
> The above-linked review itself helpfully already explains why it is not
> appropriate here:
>
> However, Physical Review B, Review of Modern Physics, Chemical Reviews,
> and J. Electroanalytical Chemistry turned down a request to publish this
> review. Fusion Science and Technology (formerly Fusion Technology), is
> also unwilling to publish papers on the subject.
Many papers in the archive do not come up to such standards. A number are
very speculative but still of interest nontheless. There is a well-defined
procedure, which I assume is used occasionally,for dealing with items in
the archive that prove to be erroneous work, viz. that if there an error
comes to light the author is in the first place asked to withdraw his
paper, and only if he does not do this the paper can be deleted by the
adminstration.
The question I would ask is, were good reasons for rejection given by the
journals concerned, by which I mean were flaws found in the arguments? If
not, can I suggest the following procedure: that you peruse the paper
further, and if you cannot come up with a better reason for not putting it
on the archive than any you have given so far then I resubmit it, either to
cond-mat or to nucl-ex as per your preference? The question of whether the
suggestions in the review are valid or not can then be left to work
themselves out over time as with any other branch of physics where the
situation is currently ambiguous.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
And thank you for your thought-provoking reply.
Regards,
Brian Josephson
-------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: end of discussion
Date-Sent: Monday, September 9, 2002 9:45 am -0400
> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:01:56 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
> cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu, storms2@ix.netcom.com, nwa@ccmr.cornell.edu
> Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
> ...
> What makes a paper fundamentally and legitimately unpublishable is flaws
in
> the arguments
> The archive policies should, in my opinion, reflect the more objective
> criterion, of whether an error is visible or not -- do you not agree?
It would be equally difficult to explain the errors in a paper reviewing
evidence for psychic spoon-bending or sightings of UFOs.
> But my basic response would be that as Dr. Storms worked at LANL for
> many years and has only recently retired, does he really need a sponsor
to
> be allowed to submit?
If a person's training was not in Physics, or a person's work at an
institution was not on nuclear fusion, then the institutional affilation is
not relevant. Moreover if the institutional imprimatur does not appear on
the person's papers on the subject, then the requisite institutional
sponsorship never existed. The e-mail address would not matter.
> And if he had worked at a place like Cambridge he could have kept his
> university email address after retirement and the issue of his eligibility
> would never have arisen at all.
That would not be sufficient in this case (any more than an alumni address
which does not qualify as current affiliation).
>> In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is
>> no longer a controversial matter.
>
> This isn't the conclusion that a recent Physics World (a UK Institute of
> Physics publication) review came to. From memory, the article indicated
The article was from fully 3.5 years ago
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/12/3/8
Whatever happened to cold fusion?
News: March 1999
and said
"in each case the results have proved erratic or impossible for other
groups
to replicate ... a classic case of what the Nobel chemist Irving Langmuir
called `pathological science' ... Yet the defenders of cold fusion have
soldiered on, a number of them merging with a network of conspiracy
theorists, psychic spoon-benders, UFO enthusiasts and believers in other
exotic physical phenomena outside the ken of science.
... Hundreds of erratic findings do not necessarily add up to solid
proof."
[rather selective quoting here]
Since that article, even the perhaps "one or two conventional institutions"
alleged to have had an interest at the time are definitively gone. The
situation was not particularly controversial at the time the article was
written, and certainly has not become so since. The conclusion is that heat
measurements of closed systems are surprisingly difficult for
electrochemists to perform properly.
> But possibly appropriate for nucl-ex?
The inability of physicists to confirm neutron emissions means that nuclear
physics is not involved. As mentioned in the Physics World article quoted
above, articles on the subject are hence better suited to internet fora that
deal with psychic spoon-bending and UFOs.
Our constituency has made it clear that it is only interested in boring
conventional reproducible science, hence the policies in place here.
> And if I may drop a couple of big names, both Edward Teller and Carlo
Rubbia
> believe that cold fusion is probably real (in the latter case, my
knowledge
> is based on an actual conversation with the person concerned, and in the
> former case I am informed that Dr. Teller's interest is (of course) in the
> possibility of making a bomb out of it).
You may drop as many names as you like -- we are always thrilled to hear
when people find an avocation that keeps them off the streets and out of
trouble.
Thank you for your interest.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: final word from Drasin
Date-Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:24 pm +0100
A very brief selection of those of Dan Drasin's points most relevant to the
current discussion of arXiv's ruling against Storms' review. The full text
can be seen at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/scepticism/drasin.html
bdj
------------
Zen and the Art of Debunkery
(c) 1999 by Daniel Drasin. All rights reserved.
HOW TO DEBUNK JUST ABOUT ANYTHING
* Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment. Equipment needed:
one armchair.
* Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will
"send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that
might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.
* State categorically that the unconventional may be dismissed as, at
best, an honest misinterpretation of the conventional.
* Downplay the fact that free inquiry and legitimate disagreement are a
normal part of science.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:24 pm +0100
I thought this talk at MIT's Research Laboratory for Electronics might be
of interest to the anonymous hypersceptics at arXiv adminstration. I
believe it is possible to drive there from Cornell without too much
difficulty. [I assume Hagelstein would also have his paper deleted from
the archive as being 'unsuitable' were he to submit it there]
----
SPECIAL RLE SEMINAR
Monday, November 4, 2002
Grier Room B, 34-401B
Refreshments at 3:45 PM
Talk at 4:00 PM
Are there New Physical Mechanisms Associated with the Anomalies in Metal
Deuterides?
Professor Peter L. Hagelstein, MIT
Low-level neutron emission from TiD was claimed by Jones in an
electrochemical experiment in March of 1989. Pons, Fleischmann and Hawkins
claimed an excess heat effect in PdD in electrochemical experiments, also
at the same time. It was shown that the screening between deuterons was
insufficient to account for the effect claimed by Jones. In the case of the
Pons and Fleischmann effect, the associated theoretical problems were far
more severe: To obtain a heat effect of nuclear origin without associated
radiation, some kind of new physics and associated reactions would be
required. Moreover, whatever new process was to account for the effect, it
had to dominate by many orders of magnitude over the conventional fusion
reaction pathways. In the absence of replications of either experiment at
respected labs, by mid-1989 both claims were rejected by the scientific
community.
Several hundred researchers around the world were uncomfortable with such a
quick dispatch of these claims, and continued to work on the problem over
the years. After hundreds of experiments, nine international conferences,
and several thousand manuscripts, the community that has continued to
pursue the general topic of anomalies in metal deuterides has more or less
reached a consensus that there are a variety of real effects that are
deserving of serious scientific research. A variety of unexpected effects
are presently claimed, including low-level fusion and heat; observations of
helium in association with excess energy; substantial accumulation of
tritium; fast charged particles that are not from dd-fusion reactions;
induced radioactivity; and transmutations.
I will outline briefly in the talk some of what I consider to be key
experimental results that appear to shed light on the physical mechanisms
that are involved. I have recently proposed a relatively straightforward
model based on phonon exchange effects in an effort to understand the
anomalies, which I will present in the talk. The new model appears to allow
for an interpretation of most of the anomalies, and suggests the possibility
of an unambiguous clarification of the physical basis of the effects.
------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:07 pm -0500
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:24:55 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
> Subject: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
>
> I thought this talk at MIT's Research Laboratory for Electronics might be
> of interest to the anonymous hypersceptics at arXiv adminstration. I
> believe it is possible to drive there from Cornell without too much
> difficulty.
>
> Special Research Laboratory of Electronics Seminar
>
> Are there New Physical Mechanisms Associated with the Anomalies in Metal
> Deuterides?
>
> Peter L. Hagelstein, MIT
> Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
A talk in an Electrical Engineering Dept, by someone who does not have a
Physics appointment, on work that is not publishable in Physics journals,
does not suggest that the subject matter is appropriate for this resource.
We regret that we do not currently have a section for Electrical
Engineering.
Thank you for your interest.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:33 pm +0000
--On Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:07 pm -0500 "register-query for arXiv.org"
<register-query@arXiv.org> wrote:
> A talk in an Electrical Engineering Dept, by someone who does not have a
> Physics appointment, on work that is not publishable in Physics journals,
> does not suggest that the subject matter is appropriate for this resource.
Dr. Hagelstein is a theoretician who has had papers published in APPL PHYS
LETT and PHYS REV A in the last year. He is a Principal Investigator in
the Optics and Quantum Electronics Group of the Research Laboratory of
Electronics at MIT, and I would respectfully suggest that his work deserves
to be taken a little more seriously than the anonymous guards of the
physics arXiv appear to be taking it at this time. The work of the group
that he belongs to is no less physics than is much of the work taking place
at the Cavendish Laboratory (this is the physics dept. of Cambridge
University in the UK, in case you are unfamiliar with it) where I work
myself, which has a number of people working in Quantum Electronics.
Brian Josephson
-----
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "moderation for arXiv.org" <moderation@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
Date-Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2002 9:04 pm +0000
--On Wednesday, November 6, 2002 13:28 -0500 "moderation for arXiv.org"
<moderation@arXiv.org> wrote:
>>> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
>>> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>>
>> I find this response to Dr. Sarfatti bizarre! UCSD stands for the
>> University of California, San Diego, as I believe most physicists know,
>> and
>
> As was clear from context, USCD is not a current affiliation for the
> person in question
Apologies for the misunderstanding, but if that was meant, then that is
what you should have said.
> Since you take such interest, it would be appropriate for you to host all
> such articles at your site at Cambridge.
> This would provide greater visibility and the attention they deserve.
> Interested parties would be well-served by a comprehensive aggregation of
> material not suited for this resource.
Notwithstanding the large number of visits that my web pages get, my belief
is that arxiv.org gets very many more visits, and therefore would be much
better able to ensure that such papers got the attention that they deserve.
And I must again beg to differ with your view that papers such as the
review of Dr. Storms, formerly at LANL, are not suitable for this resource.
On the current affiliation question, I find it curious that arXiv maintains
a restriction that major journals consider irrelevant. Presumably on this
basis you would have refused Sir Nevill Mott, who continued doing original
physics research until his 80's, use of the archive after his retirement,
although he continued publishing in the journals.
bdj
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 21:38:11 2002
Return-Path: <tsmith@innerx.net>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from suid.innerx.net (suid.innerx.net [64.158.248.29])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD49388364
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:42:16 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from [63.210.79.238] (dialup-63.210.79.238.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [63.210.79.238])
by suid.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 0DE0D10E24F; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:41:01 -0500 (EST)
X-Sender: tsmith@pop3.innerx.net (Unverified)
Message-Id: <l03102800b9f215c64bc4@[209.246.191.138]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:36:11 -0500
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
From: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: Re: arXiv censorship of good ideas
Cc: tsmith@innerx.net
X-UIDL: 5H""!)CH"!V`0"!hea!!
Brian, about "a letter for Marty Hanna to publish in Physics Today",
you ask me "... do you want to draft something ..."?
I am not sure that is a good idea right now.
My thinking (probably colored by being involved with lawsuits for
a living) is that (unlike TV and movies) the legal system might,
if you are careful and thorough and persistent,
eventually produce a result that makes things better than
they were before.
As of now, I am in contact with a firm that has offices in
Atlanta and New York about possibly proceeding in the matter
of the Cornell archives.
The firm is now in the process of checking to be sure that
there would be no conflicts with any other parts of the firm
representing entities related to Cornell. Since it is a fairly
large firm, that process can take a while, as can the process
of coordinating between the Atlanta office (my location) and
the New York office (Cornell's location).
Just in case it might be useful for you or anyone you know in
the UK, the firm is now in the process of setting up its London
office (formal opening date is scheduled for 1 January 2003),
and I will (if there are no problems with conflicts etc) try
to find out about who might be contact persons in London.
Another point that I would like to make very clear is that
my objectives in the matter may not be identical with the
objectives of some other possibly aggrieved parties.
My position is:
1 - I want the archives to set up public clear standards for
authorship, and a clearly defined forum and procedure for contesting
initial rulings by the archives that are adverse to anyone attempting
to be an author;
2 - If such standards and procedure are established, and if I
follow the procedure, then I will abide by the result whatever
it is. In other words, whether or not I am eventually allowed
to be an author is NOT my main concern. If I am barred by reasonable
standards and procedures I will accept that.
3 - I am NOT seeking any monetary compensation (except possibly
reimbursement for costs and expenses related to litigation - in
this regard, I wish that the USA had the UK rule that the loser
pays such costs, but it is not so clear here in the USA).
4 - I am NOT seeking to embarrass or cause harm to either Ginsparg
individually or Cornell as an institution. Unfortunately, I think
that Ginsparg is probably doing both as I write this. Although
I wish that he would come to his senses, as Ed Storms noted,
"... I can see that your arguments are causing Prof. Ginsparg to become
more and more short tempered and exasperated, as would any one who
continues to support an illogical argument. Clearly, he is not going
to admit that you are correct no matter how ridiculous he has to appear. ...".
5 - My hope is that (assuming the firm finds no conflict etc)
the New York office of the firm will contact Cornell's legal department
and show them the proposed suit, which if filed publicly in New York
will be hard for New York media to ignore.
Then hopefully Cornell legal will realize the difficulty of
defending individual arbitrariness in the matter, and instruct
the Cornell powers-that-be that it will be in the best interest
of Cornell (and in fact of Ginsparg) that such standards and
procedures be put in place.
If they do that, and get a court-approved settlement doing that
at no cost to them (except possibly costs and expenses),
then they may be able to use that as precedent in defense of
any other suits that may be brought seeking more drastic or
expensive remedies.
In fact such a settlement could be framed for public relations
purposes as Cornell setting up standards and procedures in
a voluntary (almost) settlement that clarifies and rectifies
the ambiguities that are almost inevitable in transition of
such a widespread enterprise from government lab (Los Alamos) to
an academic university setting (Cornell).
That way Cornell and Ginsparg would save face and get a reasonable
set of standards and procedures.
Since I have not given up on that most-nearly-universally-good
outcome, I do NOT at this time want to write a confrontational letter
to Physics Today.
Unfortunately, it may at some future time appear that a reasonable
settlement is not possible and that a purely adversarial lawsuit
is necessary, but I am not now ready to give up on the possiblity
of a reasonable settlement.
My experience in legal matters leads me to believe that
the process of engaging the Cornell legal department, and getting
it to engage the Cornell powers-that-be, may take weeks or months
instead of days, so my current recommendation would be patience,
careful preparation, and persistence.
My apologies for the length of this message, but I wanted to be
very clear about my objectives.
I have only sent this message to you,
but you have my permission to send copies to anyone else
if you think that sending such copies might be helpful.
Thank you very much for your voice of common sense and reason
in this matter.
Tony 8 November 2002
From ???@??? Sat Nov 09 14:04:59 2002
Return-Path: <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56])
by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F6388386
for <tsmith@innerx.net>; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:04:39 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp-a.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49])
by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA9Iuwqk033384;
Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:56:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ucsd.edu (adsl-63-198-176-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.176.106])
by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16393;
Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:56:58 -0800
Subject: Message from Ginsparg
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546)
Cc: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>,
Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>, alan parker <cmdrparker@hotmail.com>,
Creon Levit <creon@nas.nasa.gov>, Siragl <sirag@mindspring.com>
To: Paul Ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>
From: ISEP Theoretical Physics Group <jsarfatt@ucsd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <15820.13327.32713.605747@qfwfq.ccmr.cornell.edu>
Message-Id: <063A98A9-F415-11D6-B86E-000393BD6842@ucsd.edu>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546)
X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.7 25347 gA9Iuwqk033384 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
X-UIDL: FOR"!R0R!!g'O"!/6D"!
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Paul Ginsparg wrote:
> ....
> I regret that sending messages to me is pointless and
> counterproductive.
> I am not involved in daily operational decisions, and am not in the
> loop in
> these cases. Information to the contrary is erroneous.
> As the arXiv founder over a decade ago, my responsibilities are of a
> different
> nature and I do not look at 200 incoming submissions per day.
> The correct address for all such queries is moderation@arXiv.org .
> Mail to this and other addresses goes unread, and wastes only your
> time.
>
Delivered-To: tsmith@innerx.net
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:33:48 -0000
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
Sender: bdj10@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Reply-To: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: Paul Ginsparg <ginsparg@cornell.edu>
Cc: Tony Smith <tsmith@innerx.net>
Subject: irresponsible conduct of arXiv admin
MIME-Version: 1.0
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Paul Ginsparg wrote:
> I am not involved in daily operational decisions, and am not in the
> loop in
> these cases. Information to the contrary is erroneous.
> As the arXiv founder over a decade ago, my responsibilities are of a
> different
> nature and I do not look at 200 incoming submissions per day.
Dear Paul,
I have in fact been telling Jack S. for some time that he should not
simply assume that you were behind the various anonymous decisions. You
will no doubt recall that I wrote to you some months ago about problems
with submissions to the archive being rejected. You passed my letter on to
the administrators for a reply, which in the normal course of things would
have been an appropriate thing to do. But it appears that the moderation
is not being carried out in a responsible manner, and that surely is a
matter of concern to you. I appreciate of course that you want only
'proper physics' to be on the archive, which may well entail the exclusion
of certain classes of people. But the rules should not be used to exclude
well qualified people who have retired or are no longer attached to a
university, or who do their physics in an engineering department, both of
which have been argued as justifications for excluding contributions. The
anonymous moderator's knowledge of physics seems quite shaky as well,
seemingly being unable to recognise quantum electronics as being a branch
of physics, or to see that nuclear reactions which it is claimed can occur
at lower energies than required in free space in a solid state enviroment
would be just as much a concern of condensed matter physics as it is of
nuclear physics.
Just on a general point, in the Storms case it seems to me that the fact
that I have read the review concerned and also questioned the author about
points where I saw possible doubts should have been enough to make an
exception to any rules that there may be, but in any case it seems to me
that the guidelines need to be reviewed, and there is also a need for them
to be applied in a sensible manner, rather than for them to be used as a
pretext for 'clever' responses to criticisms.
I attach my file of correspondence with the moderator so you can see what
has been happening.
Yours sincerely,
Brian Josephson
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *
Here for people's interest is my correspondence with the preprint archive.
[people on the bcc list can ignore the message at the beginning that is
sent automatically by the mail program].
BDJ
--------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: www-admin@arXiv.org
Subject: RE: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
Date-Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 3:09 pm +0100
I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the user/password
form and enter them as below (including the clear user form) and always get
an authorisation failure.
BDJ
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2002 7:48 am -0400
From: send mail ONLY to cond-mat <no-reply@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb)
To verify abstract and html, use http://arXiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0205185
User: cond-mat/0205185, Password: bge7s (access still password restricted)
---------- End Forwarded Message ----------
-----
From: "www admin for arXiv.org" <www-admin@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
...
Date-Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 8:15 pm -0400
The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area.
=================================================
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:09:08 +0100
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: www-admin@arXiv.org
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
fig5cf.gif fig6cf.gif fig7cf.gif fig8cf.gif fig9cf.gif -> 0205185.tar.gz
(cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the user/password
form and enter them as below (including the clear user form) and always get
an authorisation failure.
BDJ
------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "www admin for arXiv.org" <www-admin@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: hput review8.html fig1cf.gif fig2cf.gif fig3cf.gif fig4cf.gif
...
Date-Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:09 am +0100
Re: submission "Cold Fusion, an Objective Assessment" by Edmund Storms
--On Thursday, May 9, 2002 20:15 -0400 "www admin for arXiv.org"
<www-admin@arXiv.org> wrote:
> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area.
>
Do you really believe that, or is this censorship?
I should add that I tried on 2 occasions to sponsor the author, who worked
at LANL for many years until his recent retirement, so he could submit the
paper himself. My emails were acknowledged by the robot but nothing
further happened.
Also, may I suggest you fix the system that the above message is
transmitted at the time of removal so that people do not waste their
valuable time trying to get the process to work.
B D Josephson
Professor of Physics, University of Cambridge, Cambridge, UK.
>
> =================================================
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:09:08 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: www-admin@arXiv.org
> Subject: (cond-mat/0205185, 105kb) (fwd)
>
> I've tried this and can't get it to work, even after trying all the
> recommended tricks -- an idea what the problem is? I get the
> user/password form and enter them as below (including the clear user
> form) and always get an authorisation failure.
>
> BDJ
------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 6:40 pm +0100
Dear Prof. Ginsparg,
Recently (in Nature, I believe) there was a discussion of electronic
publishing which included comment on the Physics Archive which you set up,
including reference to your comment that the fact that contributions can be
put into the archive without going through any refereeing process speeds up
the process of dissemination of new research. But recent events have shown
that while there may not be refereeing in the usual sense at arXiv.org
there is censorship: a virtual blue pencil stands ready to delete
'unacceptable' material. Let me acquaint you with the details.
Some time ago I received a lengthy review/critique of cold fusion research
written by Edmund Storms, whom you might have come across as he worked at
LANL himself until his recent retirement. This review does, I believe,
make a good case for taking the subject seriously, as long as one accepts
that (as was the case in regard to the so-called 'Josephson effect' at the
time of its theoretical discovery) it may not necessarily be a
straightforward matter to reproduce phenomena in materials since small
changes in conditions may have big effects, so that the fact that some
people fail to reproduce something may not be a fatal objection to the
existence of the process concerned. I wrote to Dr. Storms suggesting that,
given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive, which
might lead to some people at least becoming aware what the evidence in
favour of the reality of LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) phenomena was.
Some time later I asked him what happened and he said his registration had
been automatically rejected as a result of the fact that since his
retirement from LANL he did not have a 'proper email address'. I checked
the administrative details and saw that it is possible to 'sponsor'
someone, so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr.
Storms, but got no reply. I therefore decided to try instead the
'depreciated procedure' of submitting it to the archive myself (with the
author's permission). Initially the process seemed to work, but checking
the installation on the archive using the URL and password I was sent as
one is supposed to do (if it had worked out I would have passed the details
on to Dr. Storms so he could check it out himself as well) consistently
generated 'authorisation failure' messages. My enquires in regard to this
problem generated this response from www-admin@arXiv.org:
> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area
Emails querying this decision were not answered.
I trust you will agree that this kind of censorship is inappropriate and
not in the interests of scientific progress, given that many people have
reported confirmation of the original observations (unfortunately
suppressed from the mainstream generals so that people in general do not
know about them). It is unsafe, for example, to extrapolate from results
in a high-energy situation to results in solids (cf. for example the
Mössbauer effect) to determine what is and what is not possible and I trust
you will reprimand the people concerned and see that the review can
belatedly be put on to the archive (also that Dr. Storms, whose email
address you can find in the cc list, be allowed to submit to the archive).
If controversial matters cannot be discussed, this is not good for the
progress of science.
If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there is a
link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
politics'. Incidentally, my home page has said for some months
> it is not the intention to include poor research on these web pages. If
> anyone feels there are problems with the review concerned which are not
> cleared up through correspondence with the author, would they please let
> me know at the email address below.
and no one has taken me up on it so far!
Regards,
Brian Josephson
----------------------------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 3:54 pm -0400
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri Sep 06, 2002 01:40:23 US/Eastern
Your message was forwarded to this address for proper handling.
Any future messages should be sent only to this address.
> given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
> might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive,
Unfortunately the policy here is that the material posted on the arXiv at
least in principle be publishable in conventional journals. We regret if
these resources are too conservative for your needs, but there are other
more open internet fora available for such purposes.
> so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr. Storms,
> but got no reply.
Regrets if you received no reply. The address www-admin@arXiv.org is only
for technical issues and is not equipped to handle procedural issues.
[I sent it to physics@arXiv.org, actually, an address given for 'comments']
The reply would have been that sponsorship requires expertise directly in
the subject matter in question, and, say, expertise in Atomic Physics would
not necessarily convey expertise in Cosmology, nor expertise in Condensed
Matter Physics to Nuclear Physics.
>> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject area
>
> Emails querying this decision were not answered.
The answer above appears correct. If it is research in nuclear fusion then
it would necessarily be classified as Nuclear Physics. If it is not
research in nuclear fusion, then it is neither Nuclear Physics nor
Condensed Matter Physics. In either case it is inappropriate for the
cond-mat subject area.
> allowed to submit to the archive). If controversial matters cannot be
> discussed, this is not good for the progress of science.
In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is no
longer a controversial matter.
> If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there
> is a link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at http:
> //www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
politics'
The above-linked review itself helpfully already explains why it is not
appropriate here:
However, Physical Review B, Review of Modern Physics, Chemical Reviews,
and
J. Electroanalytical Chemistry turned down a request to publish this
review. Fusion Science and Technology (formerly Fusion Technology), is
also
unwilling to publish papers on the subject.
Thank you for your interest.
-------------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
Date-Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2002 2:01 pm +0100
--On Friday, September 6, 2002 15:54 -0400 "register-query for arXiv.org"
<register-query@arXiv.org> wrote:
>> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
>> Date: Fri Sep 06, 2002 01:40:23 US/Eastern
>> To: ginsparg@cornell.edu
>> Subject: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
>
> Your message was forwarded to this address for proper handling.
> Any future messages should be sent only to this address.
>
>> given the virtual complete censorship of cold fusion in the journals, it
>> might be good to deposit the review in the physics preprint archive,
>
> Unfortunately the policy here is that the material posted on the arXiv at
> least in principle be publishable in conventional journals. We regret if
> these resources are too conservative for your needs, but there
> are other more open internet fora available for such purposes.
Thanks for your reply. I trust you will consider carefully my response.
Re your first point, Science recently published a paper on sonofusion, and
Nature a couple of years ago published an article reviewing the CIA project
on remote viewing, presenting both sides of the argument and not coming
down editorially on either side. Clearly, while there is a tendency to
reject papers on this kind of topic they are not fundamentally ('in
principle', in your words) unpublishable in conventional journals. What
makes a paper fundamentally and legitimately unpublishable is flaws in the
arguments, which has not been demonstrated in this case. Only if we can
see into the future can we know what papers might be accepted and what
might not.
The archive policies should, in my opinion, reflect the more objective
criterion, of whether an error is visible or not -- do you not agree?
The 'more open fora' that you refer to are not read by the people whose
minds might be changed by being confronted by a careful review (agreed, the
majority would also ignore such a paper in the archive, but a minority
might be intruiged enough to read it).
>
>> so I emailed the address given (twice) saying I would sponsor Dr. Storms,
>> but got no reply.
>
> Regrets if you received no reply. The address www-admin@arXiv.org is only
> for technical issues and is not equipped to handle procedural issues.
I believe I sent the letter about sponsorship to the correct address, as
indicated on the site (when I used the word censorship it was with
reference to the removal of the paper, not the question of who is allowed
to submit to the archive), but in any case, even if I had sent it to
www-admin in error, why could they not have referred me to the right
address, or forwarded it to the right address instead of simply ignoring
it? At the very least they could have pressed the reply button and said
something like 'www-admin does not handle this kind of issue, please look
on the arxiv site to find the correct address' which wouuld have required
no thought at all?
> The
> reply would have been that sponsorship requires expertise directly in the
> subject matter in question, and, say, expertise in Atomic Physics would
> not necessarily convey expertise in Cosmology, nor expertise in Condensed
> Matter Physics to Nuclear Physics.
Not necessarily, though some of us are expert in more than one subject (I
actually did an experimental Ph.D. myself, results published in J. Phys.
F.). But my basic response would be that as Dr. Storms worked at LANL for
many years and has only recently retired, does he really need a sponsor to
be allowed to submit? And if he had worked at a place like Cambridge he
could have kept his university email address after retirement and the issue
of his eligibility would never have arisen at all.
>
>>> The submission was removed as inappropriate for the cond-mat subject
>>> area
>>
>> Emails querying this decision were not answered.
>
> The answer above appears correct. If it is research in nuclear fusion
> then it would necessarily be classified as Nuclear Physics.
> If it is not research in nuclear fusion, then it is neither Nuclear
> Physics nor Condensed Matter Physics. In either case it is inappropriate
> for the cond-mat subject area.
But possibly appropriate for nucl-ex?
A curious argument, if I may say so in any case, ignoring the possibility
that _both_ nuclear physics and condensed matter physics might be involved
in the phenomenon, as a little thought would show to be the case here.
>
>> allowed to submit to the archive). If controversial matters cannot be
>> discussed, this is not good for the progress of science.
>
> In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is
> no longer a controversial matter.
This isn't the conclusion that a recent Physics World (a UK Institute of
Physics publication) review came to. From memory, the article indicated
that while the majority opinion is that the Pons-Fleischmann work was in
error not all believe this and investigations into the phenomenon are still
continuing in a number of laboratories, some claiming success. And if I
may drop a couple of big names, both Edward Teller and Carlo Rubbia believe
that cold fusion is probably real (in the latter case, my knowledge is
based on an actual conversation with the person concerned, and in the
former case I am informed that Dr. Teller's interest is (of course) in the
possibility of making a bomb out of it).
>
>> If you are interested in seeing the article that was rejected, there
>> is a link to it (plus comment on the censorship) on my home page at http:
>> //www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/; just scroll down to 'cold fusion
>> politics'
>
> The above-linked review itself helpfully already explains why it is not
> appropriate here:
>
> However, Physical Review B, Review of Modern Physics, Chemical Reviews,
> and J. Electroanalytical Chemistry turned down a request to publish this
> review. Fusion Science and Technology (formerly Fusion Technology), is
> also unwilling to publish papers on the subject.
Many papers in the archive do not come up to such standards. A number are
very speculative but still of interest nontheless. There is a well-defined
procedure, which I assume is used occasionally,for dealing with items in
the archive that prove to be erroneous work, viz. that if there an error
comes to light the author is in the first place asked to withdraw his
paper, and only if he does not do this the paper can be deleted by the
adminstration.
The question I would ask is, were good reasons for rejection given by the
journals concerned, by which I mean were flaws found in the arguments? If
not, can I suggest the following procedure: that you peruse the paper
further, and if you cannot come up with a better reason for not putting it
on the archive than any you have given so far then I resubmit it, either to
cond-mat or to nucl-ex as per your preference? The question of whether the
suggestions in the review are valid or not can then be left to work
themselves out over time as with any other branch of physics where the
situation is currently ambiguous.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
And thank you for your thought-provoking reply.
Regards,
Brian Josephson
-------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: end of discussion
Date-Sent: Monday, September 9, 2002 9:45 am -0400
> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:01:56 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
> cc: ginsparg@cornell.edu, storms2@ix.netcom.com, nwa@ccmr.cornell.edu
> Subject: RE: censorship at www-admin@arXiv.org
> ...
> What makes a paper fundamentally and legitimately unpublishable is flaws
in
> the arguments
> The archive policies should, in my opinion, reflect the more objective
> criterion, of whether an error is visible or not -- do you not agree?
It would be equally difficult to explain the errors in a paper reviewing
evidence for psychic spoon-bending or sightings of UFOs.
> But my basic response would be that as Dr. Storms worked at LANL for
> many years and has only recently retired, does he really need a sponsor
to
> be allowed to submit?
If a person's training was not in Physics, or a person's work at an
institution was not on nuclear fusion, then the institutional affilation is
not relevant. Moreover if the institutional imprimatur does not appear on
the person's papers on the subject, then the requisite institutional
sponsorship never existed. The e-mail address would not matter.
> And if he had worked at a place like Cambridge he could have kept his
> university email address after retirement and the issue of his eligibility
> would never have arisen at all.
That would not be sufficient in this case (any more than an alumni address
which does not qualify as current affiliation).
>> In this case we abide by the determination of the journals that this is
>> no longer a controversial matter.
>
> This isn't the conclusion that a recent Physics World (a UK Institute of
> Physics publication) review came to. From memory, the article indicated
The article was from fully 3.5 years ago
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/12/3/8
Whatever happened to cold fusion?
News: March 1999
and said
"in each case the results have proved erratic or impossible for other
groups
to replicate ... a classic case of what the Nobel chemist Irving Langmuir
called `pathological science' ... Yet the defenders of cold fusion have
soldiered on, a number of them merging with a network of conspiracy
theorists, psychic spoon-benders, UFO enthusiasts and believers in other
exotic physical phenomena outside the ken of science.
... Hundreds of erratic findings do not necessarily add up to solid
proof."
[rather selective quoting here]
Since that article, even the perhaps "one or two conventional institutions"
alleged to have had an interest at the time are definitively gone. The
situation was not particularly controversial at the time the article was
written, and certainly has not become so since. The conclusion is that heat
measurements of closed systems are surprisingly difficult for
electrochemists to perform properly.
> But possibly appropriate for nucl-ex?
The inability of physicists to confirm neutron emissions means that nuclear
physics is not involved. As mentioned in the Physics World article quoted
above, articles on the subject are hence better suited to internet fora that
deal with psychic spoon-bending and UFOs.
Our constituency has made it clear that it is only interested in boring
conventional reproducible science, hence the policies in place here.
> And if I may drop a couple of big names, both Edward Teller and Carlo
Rubbia
> believe that cold fusion is probably real (in the latter case, my
knowledge
> is based on an actual conversation with the person concerned, and in the
> former case I am informed that Dr. Teller's interest is (of course) in the
> possibility of making a bomb out of it).
You may drop as many names as you like -- we are always thrilled to hear
when people find an avocation that keeps them off the streets and out of
trouble.
Thank you for your interest.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: final word from Drasin
Date-Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:24 pm +0100
A very brief selection of those of Dan Drasin's points most relevant to the
current discussion of arXiv's ruling against Storms' review. The full text
can be seen at
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/scepticism/drasin.html
bdj
------------
Zen and the Art of Debunkery
(c) 1999 by Daniel Drasin. All rights reserved.
HOW TO DEBUNK JUST ABOUT ANYTHING
* Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment. Equipment needed:
one armchair.
* Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will
"send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that
might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.
* State categorically that the unconventional may be dismissed as, at
best, an honest misinterpretation of the conventional.
* Downplay the fact that free inquiry and legitimate disagreement are a
normal part of science.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:24 pm +0100
I thought this talk at MIT's Research Laboratory for Electronics might be
of interest to the anonymous hypersceptics at arXiv adminstration. I
believe it is possible to drive there from Cornell without too much
difficulty. [I assume Hagelstein would also have his paper deleted from
the archive as being 'unsuitable' were he to submit it there]
----
SPECIAL RLE SEMINAR
Monday, November 4, 2002
Grier Room B, 34-401B
Refreshments at 3:45 PM
Talk at 4:00 PM
Are there New Physical Mechanisms Associated with the Anomalies in Metal
Deuterides?
Professor Peter L. Hagelstein, MIT
Low-level neutron emission from TiD was claimed by Jones in an
electrochemical experiment in March of 1989. Pons, Fleischmann and Hawkins
claimed an excess heat effect in PdD in electrochemical experiments, also
at the same time. It was shown that the screening between deuterons was
insufficient to account for the effect claimed by Jones. In the case of the
Pons and Fleischmann effect, the associated theoretical problems were far
more severe: To obtain a heat effect of nuclear origin without associated
radiation, some kind of new physics and associated reactions would be
required. Moreover, whatever new process was to account for the effect, it
had to dominate by many orders of magnitude over the conventional fusion
reaction pathways. In the absence of replications of either experiment at
respected labs, by mid-1989 both claims were rejected by the scientific
community.
Several hundred researchers around the world were uncomfortable with such a
quick dispatch of these claims, and continued to work on the problem over
the years. After hundreds of experiments, nine international conferences,
and several thousand manuscripts, the community that has continued to
pursue the general topic of anomalies in metal deuterides has more or less
reached a consensus that there are a variety of real effects that are
deserving of serious scientific research. A variety of unexpected effects
are presently claimed, including low-level fusion and heat; observations of
helium in association with excess energy; substantial accumulation of
tritium; fast charged particles that are not from dd-fusion reactions;
induced radioactivity; and transmutations.
I will outline briefly in the talk some of what I consider to be key
experimental results that appear to shed light on the physical mechanisms
that are involved. I have recently proposed a relatively straightforward
model based on phonon exchange effects in an effort to understand the
anomalies, which I will present in the talk. The new model appears to allow
for an interpretation of most of the anomalies, and suggests the possibility
of an unambiguous clarification of the physical basis of the effects.
------
From: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
To: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
Subject: RE: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:07 pm -0500
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:24:55 +0100
> From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
> To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
> Subject: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
>
> I thought this talk at MIT's Research Laboratory for Electronics might be
> of interest to the anonymous hypersceptics at arXiv adminstration. I
> believe it is possible to drive there from Cornell without too much
> difficulty.
>
> Special Research Laboratory of Electronics Seminar
>
> Are there New Physical Mechanisms Associated with the Anomalies in Metal
> Deuterides?
>
> Peter L. Hagelstein, MIT
> Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
A talk in an Electrical Engineering Dept, by someone who does not have a
Physics appointment, on work that is not publishable in Physics journals,
does not suggest that the subject matter is appropriate for this resource.
We regret that we do not currently have a section for Electrical
Engineering.
Thank you for your interest.
-------
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "register-query for arXiv.org" <register-query@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: MIT challenges opinions of the arXiv gurus
Date-Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:33 pm +0000
--On Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:07 pm -0500 "register-query for arXiv.org"
<register-query@arXiv.org> wrote:
> A talk in an Electrical Engineering Dept, by someone who does not have a
> Physics appointment, on work that is not publishable in Physics journals,
> does not suggest that the subject matter is appropriate for this resource.
Dr. Hagelstein is a theoretician who has had papers published in APPL PHYS
LETT and PHYS REV A in the last year. He is a Principal Investigator in
the Optics and Quantum Electronics Group of the Research Laboratory of
Electronics at MIT, and I would respectfully suggest that his work deserves
to be taken a little more seriously than the anonymous guards of the
physics arXiv appear to be taking it at this time. The work of the group
that he belongs to is no less physics than is much of the work taking place
at the Cavendish Laboratory (this is the physics dept. of Cambridge
University in the UK, in case you are unfamiliar with it) where I work
myself, which has a number of people working in Quantum Electronics.
Brian Josephson
-----
From: Brian Josephson <bdj10@cam.ac.uk>
To: "moderation for arXiv.org" <moderation@arXiv.org>
Subject: RE: gr-qc/0211011
Date-Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2002 9:04 pm +0000
--On Wednesday, November 6, 2002 13:28 -0500 "moderation for arXiv.org"
<moderation@arXiv.org> wrote:
>>> ucsd.edu is not a current institutional affiliation.
>>> You are free to submit your work to a conventional journal.
>>
>> I find this response to Dr. Sarfatti bizarre! UCSD stands for the
>> University of California, San Diego, as I believe most physicists know,
>> and
>
> As was clear from context, USCD is not a current affiliation for the
> person in question
Apologies for the misunderstanding, but if that was meant, then that is
what you should have said.
> Since you take such interest, it would be appropriate for you to host all
> such articles at your site at Cambridge.
> This would provide greater visibility and the attention they deserve.
> Interested parties would be well-served by a comprehensive aggregation of
> material not suited for this resource.
Notwithstanding the large number of visits that my web pages get, my belief
is that arxiv.org gets very many more visits, and therefore would be much
better able to ensure that such papers got the attention that they deserve.
And I must again beg to differ with your view that papers such as the
review of Dr. Storms, formerly at LANL, are not suitable for this resource.
On the current affiliation question, I find it curious that arXiv maintains
a restriction that major journals consider irrelevant. Presumably on this
basis you would have refused Sir Nevill Mott, who continued doing original
physics research until his 80's, use of the archive after his retirement,
although he continued publishing in the journals.
bdj
* * * * * * * Prof. Brian D. Josephson :::::::: bdj10@cam.ac.uk
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
* Unification * voice: +44(0)1223 337260 fax: +44(0)1223 337356
* Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
* * * * * * *